Anyone else disappointed?
POSTED BY: sagrilarus
UPDATED: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05
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Originally posted by sagrilarus:
Sorry, I'm not going to spend another nine dollars on it.Select to view spoiler:
It wasn't the death of anybody that bothered me. Frankly, given the script, they should have been down to two SURVIVING at the end of the film. Not sure how Mal survives after being run through with a sword, especially after walking around and fighting for about 20 minutes afterwards. Zoe deserved to be dead, River absolutely should not have survived, the others holding the line pretty much had to survive on awesome-plot-power and deadly-hero-guns -- not a typical crutch for Whedon.
I was far more effected by very contrived dialogue (Jayne uses the phrase "in earnest" for godsake), and a real muddying up of the characters. I made the mistake of watching Our Mrs Reynolds at home before heading to the theater, which just made the contrast that much more stark.
Sag.
Suspension of disbelief. In "Out of Gas" Mal had been shot and he was suffocating and freezing to death and yet he survived. In "War Stories" Wash and Mal were able to get back into action only minutes after getting tortured by Niska, Mal's heart even stopped and yet he was able to fight after that.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Quote:What does the high school english lesson serve? Is Sag s'posed to feel dumb, and realize that he actually enjoyed Serenity? I've read this line of reasoning before, and it really seems absurd in context. For me, Firefly came to the edge of believability plenty of times, but it always came back at the last moment. Serenity, not so much.
Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
Suspension of disbelief. In "Out of Gas" Mal had been shot and he was suffocating and freezing to death and yet he survived. In "War Stories" Wash and Mal were able to get back into action only minutes after getting tortured by Niska, Mal's heart even stopped and yet he was able to fight after that.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Firstly, no I wasn't disappointed at all, its everything I could have hoped for.
The deaths did make the film a bit hard to take in first time round. If it wasn't for the fact that the first time was special (prescreening, hence room full of browncoats, Joss message and Nathan & Morena) I would have enjoyed the second time more.
I just got back from my 3rd viewing (not bad seeing as it came out here yesterday) and I didn't enjoy this one quite as much. The heart-aching suspense which I got the 1st and 2nd times wasn't so much. And the 'middle bit' seemed to drag on. I think I'll be waiting till the DVD till I see it again.
Yeh so my advice is see it twice, then wait till the DVD.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:What does the high school english lesson serve? Is Sag s'posed to feel dumb, and realize that he actually enjoyed Serenity? I've read this line of reasoning before, and it really seems absurd in context. For me, Firefly came to the edge of believability plenty of times, but it always came back at the last moment. Serenity, not so much.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
How is this line of reasoning absurd? If you can believe that someone who has used up all of the body’s adrenaline, glucocorticoid, and probably dopamine as well, suffered cardiac arrest, cardiogenic shock, and who knows how much damage to the CNS, and is still remain lucid or even conscious, let alone able to stand or fight, and suffers from no long lasting psychological or physical effects, then most of the stuff in Serenity should not be that hard to believe, they’re probably easier to believe than the whole Niska incident.
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13444
Thanks for that. You picked out many points that I've missed.
When I left the theater, I was mad. Then I processed and got enraged. Then I calmed down.
After that, yesterday I watched the first disk of the DVD set and welcome back rage. I'm very happy I didn't have time to re-watch the entire series before the movie; very happy.
A short analysis from me:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=12689#186383
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=12689#188083
I really hope that this isn't the end. I really hope that sales are going to be good enough to justify another movie or getting something back on the air. Really hope.
Because, I don't want it to end this way.
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-David Suzuki
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Originally posted by Giantevilhead:
Suspension of disbelief. In "Out of Gas" Mal had been shot and he was suffocating and freezing to death and yet he survived. In "War Stories" Wash and Mal were able to get back into action only minutes after getting tortured by Niska, Mal's heart even stopped and yet he was able to fight after that.
I think you missed my entire point. The dying (or the lack of it) wasn't what put me off really, it was the complete revision of the characters, and the dialogue that seemed so contrived.
In the TV episodes, the dialogue can be described using one word: "tight." People said what they needed to and were witty without getting speechy. I live for Whedon's dialogue in other projects too. Serenity seemed to just babble on, putting words in the character's mouths that just didn't make sense. Kaylee's line about not having gotten any from anything but a machine was just so contrived, and so COMPLETELY out of character. How many farm girls do you know that talk like that? In the series, that line would never have survived to production. Or it would have been fixed. I fear this film is going to be the target of a dozen phantom edits.
Just never would have thought Whedon would boot the dialogue. Of all things, I thought the dialogue would have been right.
And the character definitions are just so screwed now. Not sure how they'd fix that in the now-very-remote chance that a sequel does indeed get made.
On a completely shallow P.S., do you think it was Kaylee or Zoe that gave Jayne the perm?
Sags.
"Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
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Keylee's line is certainly not one I would peg as being out of character.
She's always been completely open about such things, I don't see why it's strange that she would say such a thing.(remember her introduction in out of gas? Or "Have good sex!"?)
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Kaylee isn't a 'farmgirl'. She is a mechanic, and as such it seems perfectly reasonable for her to be talking about machines. As for her use of said machines being in character, have you forgotten how she got her job?
I honestly did not see anything out of character in the movie, but maybe that's just me.
"I'll be in my bunk."
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Oh, but to answer the original question.
No. Not at all.
"I'll be in my bunk."
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SAGRILARUS, I wasn't responding to your complaints about the characters, which are pretty vague, except for the example about Kaylee and the vibrator. I was responding about your inability to suspend disbelief while watching the movie.
As for the dialogue, the show had 14 episodes. Although the characters were well established, they weren't that well established and they do have some personality “fluctuations” between episodes. Plus Kaylee’s line about the vibrator wasn’t that out of character, do you remember how she got discovered by Mal?
"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam
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