Anyone else disappointed?

POSTED BY: sagrilarus
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SAGRILARUS

Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 PM

At the risk of having a hit called out on me, I'll keep the details of my opinions quiet. But I was very disappointed with the movie. With any luck, I am the only one. No one else here seems to be expressing that feeling. Just thought I'd toss it out and see if I'm alone or not.

LEAFY

Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:39 PM

Yes, yes I was. If we use "Firefly" as the benchmark, a perfect 10, "Serenity" compares at about 7.2. "Firefly" was character driven, but "Serenity" was author ego driven, and it showed.

From the box office numbers shown here, I don't think we are alone.

HOTHERSALE

Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:52 PM

Have you seen it more than once? Personally, I found it so disturbing that it was hard to really enjoy the movie the first time round. I enjoyed it MUCH more on subsequent viewings. If you haven't already, I suggest watching it again to see if it's the same for you.

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SAGRILARUS

Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:57 PM

Sorry, I'm not going to spend another nine dollars on it.

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It wasn't the death of anybody that bothered me. Frankly, given the script, they should have been down to two SURVIVING at the end of the film. Not sure how Mal survives after being run through with a sword, especially after walking around and fighting for about 20 minutes afterwards. Zoe deserved to be dead, River absolutely should not have survived, the others holding the line pretty much had to survive on awesome-plot-power and deadly-hero-guns -- not a typical crutch for Whedon.

I was far more effected by very contrived dialogue (Jayne uses the phrase "in earnest" for godsake), and a real muddying up of the characters. I made the mistake of watching Our Mrs Reynolds at home before heading to the theater, which just made the contrast that much more stark.

Sag.

JADEHAND

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:01 PM

I was spoiled on these facts way before I saw the movie. Had time to process. Loved the movie. Best Movie Ever. I think if those who are upset on these 2 facts take time to process, they may enjoy it more the second time 'round. At least I hope so. Maybe not. Either way won't stop my enjoyment of it.

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HKCAVALIER

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:02 PM

Don't worry, Sagrilarus, nobody's gonna put a hit out on you. The board's just been so busy in the past couple days, two of the major threads on the subject have been archived already. You can still find a discussion here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13444
I wrote a huge post on the subject over there. Many people posted to thank me for putting their feelings into words. I'm sure you'd find others who felt as you do if you went into more detail about your feelings.

I was very disappointed as well. Serenity felt like a two hour long trailer to me. Serenity felt like the show Fox wanted out of Joss three years ago, when he first shopped it to them: Buffy in Space. And even upon reflection, the second of the big damn spoilers still feels like a lame stunt--not that it couldn't have worked, but as it happened in the BDM, it really felt like a throw away.

HKCavalier

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MER

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:09 PM

I'm not highly disappointed, just upset of certain things that happen in it. I'll just have to deal b/c there's nothing I can do about it...besides bitch.

I still have questions regarding River. If they were indeed answered, I'll have to dissect the movie on DVD (so I can do replays and etc)

DUCESTECUM

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sagrilarus:
At the risk of having a hit called out on me, I'll keep the details of my opinions quiet. But I was very disappointed with the movie. With any luck, I am the only one. No one else here seems to be expressing that feeling. Just thought I'd toss it out and see if I'm alone or not.

Where have you been the last few days? Read the post by HKCavilier although it is long it is well worth reading because he told the absolute truth. The flick is a huge disappointment in so many ways and we can all kiss Firefly goodbye.

"And that's not incense!"

HKCAVALIER

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by sagrilarus:
Sorry, I'm not going to spend another nine dollars on it.
Select to view spoiler:
It wasn't the death of anybody that bothered me. Frankly, given the script, they should have been down to two SURVIVING at the end of the film. Not sure how Mal survives after being run through with a sword, especially after walking around and fighting for about 20 minutes afterwards. Zoe deserved to be dead, River absolutely should not have survived, the others holding the line pretty much had to survive on awesome-plot-power and deadly-hero-guns -- not a typical crutch for Whedon.

I was far more effected by very contrived dialogue (Jayne uses the phrase "in earnest" for godsake), and a real muddying up of the characters. I made the mistake of watching Our Mrs Reynolds at home before heading to the theater, which just made the contrast that much more stark.

When you put it that way, it almost feels like an Emperor's New Clothes type o' deal, don'it? I've been watching the DVD's since last weekend and how anyone could mistake this movie for the gritty, nuanced, adult, down to earth reality of Firefly is hard to fathom. Folk's tell me, "Joss said it was gonna be different!" I can handle different. I just have a hard time with shallower and more contrived.

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The non-lethal nature of the reavers reminded me of the shift from Alien to Aliens. In Alien, a single beast was walking death, but in the sequel they faught crowds of the things at a time. Really lowered the stakes a bit. Realism is such a fragile thing in speculative fiction, just a couple extra punches while Mal's still standing and it goes all out of wack for me. People will say, "But didn't you see the punishment Mal took in War Stories?" And I say, first that Mal was in some kind of altered state on the other side of death, and second that he was fighting mere sadists and bullies, not some ninja trained operative who knew how to work pressure points--Mal should have gone down and gone down hard well before the Op got to his special ganglia trick. A single breach of naturalism (like Mal's being able to even move by the end of War Stories) can be forgiven, but when it becomes the norm, I really start to lose interest.

HKCavalier

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JASONZZZ

Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:32 PM

specifically this post,

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=13444#186501

But there are a billion other postings expressing some bits and pieces of the same type of sentiment in various different lines of reasoning and analysis scattered all over in different threads...

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