There's hope for America's soul.

POSTED BY: R1Z
UPDATED: Saturday, October 8, 2005 19:17
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R1Z

Thursday, October 6, 2005 9:02 AM

From CNN--

Quote:
Setting up a possible veto showdown with the White House, the Senate voted overwhelmingly for an amendment to a Pentagon spending bill that sets standards for the treatment of prisoners in U.S. military custody.

The measure, sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, would require American troops to follow interrogation standards set in the Army Field Manual and bar "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" of prisoners in U.S. custody.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/senate.detainees/index.html

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein

HERO

Thursday, October 6, 2005 4:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by R1Z:
From CNN--
Quote:
Setting up a possible veto showdown with the White House, the Senate voted overwhelmingly for an amendment to a Pentagon spending bill that sets standards for the treatment of prisoners in U.S. military custody.

The measure, sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, would require American troops to follow interrogation standards set in the Army Field Manual and bar "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" of prisoners in U.S. custody.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/06/senate.detainees/index.html

A law saying that they have to follow the law. I suggest they then pass another law endorsing McCain's law to follow the Army's laws regarding the treatment of prisoners.

Or we could skip all this and Prosecute people for violating the original rule.

Nope, I prefer McCain's approach. That way it looks like Congress is taking action. Yep, just looks like it.

Is torture Constitutional? With Due Process anything is possible...

H

CITIZEN

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:04 PM

They make psychologists get psychoanalysed, but they don't make torturers get tortured, does that seem right to you?

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HERO

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:08 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
They make psychologists get psychoanalysed, but they don't make torturers get tortured, does that seem right to you?

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I don't know. I'm a lawyer and I've been sued. Maybe you should ask a butcher how they come down on this topic...

H

CITIZEN

Thursday, October 6, 2005 8:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
I don't know. I'm a lawyer and I've been sued. Maybe you should ask a butcher how they come down on this topic...

Wincing... big cleavers, sausages, say no more?

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 6, 2005 11:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
They make psychologists get psychoanalysed, but they don't make torturers get tortured, does that seem right to you?

LOL, that is just so funny-
Dude, you GOTTA start a RWE thread with that title!!!!!

Chrisisall

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Friday, October 7, 2005 3:03 PM

Actually, having had some background in military intelligence, I can tell you that part of the training process for interrogators is to be interrogated themselves.

I'll leave it up to you, though to debate whether interrogation=torture or not.

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CITIZEN

Friday, October 7, 2005 4:48 PM

IB:
Yea, I know for a fact part of British SAS training includes a section where recruits are let loose, chased, hunted and then captured. Then they are litterally tortured (stuck in boxes, beaten, and other general psychological torture techniques) and interrogated. I do wonder if those torturing Iraqi's and terroist suspects actually went through anything like that tho?

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INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Saturday, October 8, 2005 3:14 AM

Need to be careful there, Citzen. You're generalizing from the cases of abuse that we know of to every single interrogation that takes place, and I'm not sure that that's a valid induction. I'll grant you that abuses have taken place, but having had experience over there with Special Operations, I can tell you that's not the rule, that's an exception.

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AURAPTOR

Saturday, October 8, 2005 11:46 AM

Playing patty cake w/ those who saw off heads of civilians and rig bodies of dead children so that their parents will also die a horrible, violent death as they try to recover the body of their dead child..... doesn't seem to me that America ever had lost its soul. It's just trying to fight those who have none.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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