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UPDATED: Saturday, October 8, 2005 19:17
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:46 PM
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Origianlly posted by InevitableBetrayal:
You're generalizing from the cases of abuse that we know of to every single interrogation that takes place, and I'm not sure that that's a valid induction.
Erm... No I'm not.
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 5:04 PM
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Origianlly posted by InevitableBetrayal:
You're generalizing from the cases of abuse that we know of to every single interrogation that takes place, and I'm not sure that that's a valid induction.
Erm... No I'm not.
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We know of several very high profile cases of abuse on the part of interrogators. You move from several high-visibility cases of abuse to the generalization that all interrogation amounts to torture. That's called induction (moving from specific cases to general conclusions. I say this because of the comments that you make, e.g. "They don't make torturers get tortured" which indicate that you are equating all interrogation with torture. Undergoing torture isn't part of interrogation training because that's not what interrogation is. Why on earth would they subject interrogators to torture when that's not what interrogators do? Certain of them have committed abuses, no questions. But the way you frame your statement leads one to the conclusion that you believe torture to be essential to the nature of interrogation.
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Saturday, October 8, 2005 7:17 PM
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Originally posted by InevitableBetrayal:
I say this because of the comments that you make, e.g. "They don't make torturers get tortured" which indicate that you are equating all interrogation with torture. Undergoing torture isn't part of interrogation training because that's not what interrogation is.
IB, If I had said "They don't make interrogators get tortured" you'd have something. I didn't, so you don't. You’re reading into my statements things that simply ARE NOT there!
I said Torturers, not interrogators. In none of my posts did I say Interrogators were tortures.
The closest I come is here:
Then they are literally tortured (stuck in boxes, beaten, and other general psychological torture techniques) and interrogated.
Here the operative word is AND. They are tortured AND interrogated. I set out quite clearly in my post that interrogation and torture are different things. If you read different you either miss-read my posts or you wanted, at some level, to read into them something that isn't there.
As for equating all Interrogation with torture, I didn't. If I had said anything like:
Interrogators always use torture, then again, you would have had something, but I didn't, so you don't.
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But the way you frame your statement leads one to the conclusion that you believe torture to be essential to the nature of interrogation.
I never framed my posts or statements that way. It’s stupid to think Torture is inherently part of Interrogation. In Torture interrogation will be most often an aspect, but it is a separate entity, and usually exists outside of torture in modern society.
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