"Chosen" (Buffy Finale) SPOILERS

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BEOZOR

Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:58 AM

me thinks it was permanent too. but what really took me was the sudden burst of strength each slayer had. i mean, when buffy first met an uber-vamp, it kicked her ass until she sliced off his neck. Then, all of a sudden, POOF each slayer can handle 4 at a time.
and what was with Giles, Anya, and Xander? Anya went all crazy and killed TWO! She doesn't even have slayer strength! Giles saved Wood from several, and one-eyed Xander survived from one too.
I wonder if Buffy's still the strongest slayer, though... hmmm...
But on the whole, that was a good ending. Except when anya died... then Spike got all crispy, then he died too... wow... that's really sad.

I'm so scared

BEOZOR

Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:01 AM

Tale of the Slayers? ooo..ooo. I have number one "Broken bottle of Djinn" or what not.... just thought i'd bring it up...

BEOZOR

Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:12 AM

huh? the super scythe that buffy has belongs to Fray?!

I'm not familiar with this whole Fray person, and i had no idea she was a slayer, i thought she was just some girl who fought vamps in the future.

sorry, i havent been on this site for a long long time, and i guess i keep typing away (i think i wrote 3 messages in a row)...

would someone be kind enough to explain this whole scythe thingy, cuz it caught my interest.

KOBAYASHI

Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:31 PM

In the Fray series the Scythe is explained as belonging to the Slayer. Not Buffy, not Faith or Melaka... but the Slayer (whoever it might be). It has been lost for hundreds of years. (I assume this means that it will have something to do with banishing all demons from this dimension.)

The final issue of Fray should be out in the next few months, then Dark Horse says there should be a graphic novel out by the end of the year.

Intersting to notice how Fray, set in the future ties in with Firefly. You can see lots of Chinese influences in the cities and backgound,etc... must be a Joss thing.

As for the Buffy Finale -

Anyone else wish Spike would stay dead? It was such a perfect ending to his story. A perfect redemtion. I'm afraid anything done in the future will taint it.

How many Slayers do you think are out there now? I've seen other forums speculating that there are now thousands. I don't think so... I think maybe 50, tops.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:23 PM

I think that there was a mention that it was at least 100s of slayers now. I think that a big thing in angel could be dealing with the slayers. Not only is there nothing whatsoever that says that a slayer must be good, but there is also evidence that as tie has gone on slayers have degraded.

Look at Spike, first slayer he ate, all business, did her job, did it well. Next one, more like Buffy, more arrogant, more of a superiority trait in the attitude (I’m better than you are [insert childish taunting sounds.]) Buffy, she’s fairly arrogant, acts like it’s all a game, plays with her prey before she kills it (when was the last time she wasn’t sarcastic and insulting when killing an ordinary vampire?) Faith, not far beyond Buffy when she was at her worst, she just treated everyone the way Buffy treated the enemy, like they were less weaker (this is true) and that gave her the right to manipulate and even kill them (debatable, but I say no.)

What we do know about the slayers is that they do have blood lust, and they are quite strong. So now we have somewhere between maybe 50 and a thousand girls who are very strong, have an urge to kill, and as general trend have a quite large view of themselves as being superhuman in ways that include more than just strength (i.e. they don’t see other people as being equals or deserving of equal respect.)

You’ve got abusive relationships, it’s a fact that in most abusive relationships it’s the female that’s abusive. People don’t usually care as mush about these because it is usually emotional and psychological abuse. The accepted reason for this is because the women, or girls (depending on age) only used mental abuse is that they don’t consider themselves strong enough to physically hurt the guy they are with.

I’m not a woman hater, but so many people are being like oh that’s great, and it’s not. Giving any large group of people (regardless of gender) that much power would have horrible results. The world would writhe, and someone would have to fix it. (Angel?)

Do we really want people like Beverley Allitt, Genene Jones, Julius Fazekas, Waltraud Wagner, Lenora Perez, Filipina Narciso, Elizabeth Bathory, Velma Barfield, Nanny Doss, Anna Marie Hahn, Marie Hilley, and Dorothea Puente with super powers? (These are just some of the first few names that come up when you search for serial killers [the female ones of course]) Some of these killed hundreds, without slayer strength.

The good guys will have their hands full, so I think that it’s an interesting turn to make for the last episode.

Think of the damage. Think of the damage that 50 slayers could do.

EMBASSY

Sunday, May 25, 2003 7:25 PM

I'm sure the bringers thinned the herd of potentials quite a bit.

Is it just me or did that little girl playing softball look just like Young River from "Safe"?

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, May 25, 2003 8:01 PM

Ok, I have just thoroughly freaked myself out. Like I said, I did a search to get some names of female serial killers. I did it because I thought people would think I was making it up if I didn’t have a name or two. Then I read some of the stuff, you know you mostly here about the nurse who slaughters babies, or the mother and wife who starts a family waits for the kids to grow up a little, kills them all, and then starts another family to do it again. But it gets so much more scary.

ZELDA

Monday, May 26, 2003 5:26 AM

On a neat side note to the scythe, there was an interview with Joss the week that Buffy ended (I think it was the one on salon.com?) where he not only specifically said that the scythe was the same one from the Fray series, but that it's the only prop that he kept after the show ended.

NICOLA

Sunday, June 1, 2003 7:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:
I think that there was a mention that it was at least 100s of slayers now. I think that a big thing in angel could be dealing with the slayers. Not only is there nothing whatsoever that says that a slayer must be good, but there is also evidence that as tie has gone on slayers have degraded.

Look at Spike, first slayer he ate, all business, did her job, did it well. Next one, more like Buffy, more arrogant, more of a superiority trait in the attitude (I’m better than you are [insert childish taunting sounds.]) Buffy, she’s fairly arrogant, acts like it’s all a game, plays with her prey before she kills it (when was the last time she wasn’t sarcastic and insulting when killing an ordinary vampire?) Faith, not far beyond Buffy when she was at her worst, she just treated everyone the way Buffy treated the enemy, like they were less weaker (this is true) and that gave her the right to manipulate and even kill them (debatable, but I say no.)

What we do know about the slayers is that they do have blood lust, and they are quite strong. So now we have somewhere between maybe 50 and a thousand girls who are very strong, have an urge to kill, and as general trend have a quite large view of themselves as being superhuman in ways that include more than just strength (i.e. they don’t see other people as being equals or deserving of equal respect.)

You’ve got abusive relationships, it’s a fact that in most abusive relationships it’s the female that’s abusive. People don’t usually care as mush about these because it is usually emotional and psychological abuse. The accepted reason for this is because the women, or girls (depending on age) only used mental abuse is that they don’t consider themselves strong enough to physically hurt the guy they are with.

I’m not a woman hater, but so many people are being like oh that’s great, and it’s not. Giving any large group of people (regardless of gender) that much power would have horrible results. The world would writhe, and someone would have to fix it. (Angel?)

Do we really want people like Beverley Allitt, Genene Jones, Julius Fazekas, Waltraud Wagner, Lenora Perez, Filipina Narciso, Elizabeth Bathory, Velma Barfield, Nanny Doss, Anna Marie Hahn, Marie Hilley, and Dorothea Puente with super powers? (These are just some of the first few names that come up when you search for serial killers [the female ones of course]) Some of these killed hundreds, without slayer strength.

The good guys will have their hands full, so I think that it’s an interesting turn to make for the last episode.

Think of the damage. Think of the damage that 50 slayers could do.

Wow. You are really assuming something when you suggest that a large amount of the new 'chosen' would be bad. Holy cow.

And that the good 'guys' will have their hands full! Like the only good people left will be guys. Holy cow again.

Also, I would like to know where you get your fact that most abusive relationships are female on male abuse. I never heard that one before, and I have done some study of the issue.

I would like to have a reference for that last item if possible.

I am still gasping.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Sunday, June 1, 2003 9:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nicola:
Wow. You are really assuming something when you suggest that a large amount of the new 'chosen' would be bad. Holy cow.

And that the good 'guys' will have their hands full! Like the only good people left will be guys. Holy cow again.

Also, I would like to know where you get your fact that most abusive relationships are female on male abuse. I never heard that one before, and I have done some study of the issue.

I would like to have a reference for that last item if possible.

I am still gasping.

Ok, wow. Good guys now means only males? When did the world become so sexist that the common gender inspecific term is suddenly gender specific? You want proof it’s gender inspecific, go to a girl’s only team, not just one of course-you need a random sample, and watch as the coach (a female one) calls the team members ‘guys.’ If you only do this with one or two you might not get it, but get yourself a nice spread and you will, no sex connotations at all. In the Bible Mary Magdalene is referred to as ‘he’ because traditionally in the lack of a polite gender inspecific term the male is used.

If you think that’s wrong it’s not my fault, I didn’t make the language, in fact in the creation and evolution of language it is just about a fifty-fifty spread in who makes it when talking male or female.

I stated reasons for the assumption that many, which in no way means most, of the slayers will be bad.

As for the last bit, the abusive relationships part, I see no reason to look up my sources for someone as clearly sexist as yourself. I will tell you that some (there are many sources that say this) are the people who go into middle schools, high schools, colleges and community centers to lecture people on abusive relationships. Although all of them focus primarily on males abusing females they do say that female on male abuse is more prominent, but they think it is important to stop the physical abuse first. As I said female against male abuse is primarily psychological, further most of them believe that at this point in time they are more likely to affect the lives of females than males.

Note that when I say, "all of them", I mean all of the ones that serve as sources.

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