A Modest Proposal...

POSTED BY: Thanatus
UPDATED: Saturday, October 8, 2005 00:26
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MIRAMEL

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 10:30 PM

did... did he... just suggest that firefly be turned into star trek? *shudders*

THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Miramel:
did... did he... just suggest that firefly be turned into star trek? *shudders*

Oh!...I...Dear God, No! NOOO! Verily I say unto thee NO!!!

DRROB

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 10:58 PM

Funny thing... in the third film I see Zoe and Jayne together.

Those of you who doubt me thought Leia and Luke were gonna tongue wrassle (even Alan Dean Foster was wrong about that "Slinter of the Mind's Eye" anyone? and are forgetting the whole Buffy/Spike thing.

I LIKE Kaylee's innocence in the TV show... she couldn't even shoot back when shot at... but in teh film, when she finally finds a reason to fight... she's a wee bit gung ho. Good for Kaylee. I mean really, if they are all 'gonna be bad guys' should the WHOLE crew get some martial arts tips from River and gun handlin' lessons from Jayne and tactics from Mal and Zoe and first aid from Simon?

Nah, THAT would be too realistic. Cross training? who needs it?

I always thought (on the TV show) it was STUPID that no one else (even Mal) knew how to fly Serenity. Apparently that's been done away with now that River magically knows how to fly.

And hey WHICH crafty crew member downloaded the security video feed for Mr. Universe to see huh?

No one has the 'thief' role firmly in hand.

"Guess you broke into the wrong rec room."

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:06 PM

Thanatus, hey.

You've sourced me twice now; thought I should speak up (flattered by the way, thanks). Firstly, I'm glad to hear you've changed your tone. Folks 'round here are good people with a marked tendancy to the funny and don't go in for all that internet gladiator talk you used to bust in here (we save that sort of thing for the RWED ).

Second, you're off the beam about the Bard. Pretty successful in his day, had plays commissioned by kings and queens, thank you very much. Wasn't cold in his grave before critics started makin' hay of his genius.

Thirdly,

Select to view spoiler:

like yourself, I think Joss is wrong about having to off a body, just to get an audience to sweat. I can watch The Shining 40 times and still lose it when Shelly Duvall is trapped in the bathroom, because Shelly Duvall plays terrified-out-of-her-skull better than any actor I've ever seen. As long as what the character is going through feels real to me, I'm there, every time.

Thing is, I think Joss was right if we're talking about Buffy (or most t.v. where "acting" is just a word people put on their resumees), precisely because that show's so unreal and capricious in its storytelling. How many stagey, phoney fight scenes where Buffy kicks total ass can you take before you need some kind of stimulant? But Firefly didn't need anything.

The thing that amazes me about that whole Wash's-dying-meant-nobody-was-safe argument is that Joss had already killed Book at the time! Hello? Joss killed Book! Why didn't that put the fear in any of these would be Missourians?

If a movie's really good, if I'm involved in the lives of its characters, I'm not even thinking about the director and what he's capable of till it's over. You know what though, I wasn't all that engaged by that time in the BDM, so part of me was thinking about Joss and his intentions. I saw him kill Wash and my first thought was, "Well, either he's killing everyone (which he ain't, 'cause of the sequel thing) or he's done killing off main characters for one movie!"

This kind of ham-handed manipulation of the audience doesn't work unless your audience all think exactly the same way you do. And when you think your audience all think exactly the same way you do, you've lost your audience--except for the hardcore fans who...yeah.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:24 PM

Once again, HK...you humble me with your communicative abilities. Maybe I should just shut up, look but don't type, and trust that more erudite folks as yourself have the ear of Joss. WRT Bill, fair enough, HK...I was thinking more Titus Andronicus than Taming of the Shrew. The early stuff was a bit pilloried if I remember correctly, maybe I'm out there though Lit 101 was awile ago. I was mostly referring to him being outside the University set of his contemporaries. Neither here nor there. Again, just trying the ol' reductio ad absurdium ploy to get people to accept or even talk about the concept that it's OK for movies, plays, or any medium for that matter to not reflect ALL of the horrors in life. As for the original tone...understand, I'm new to this posting gig. The first couple of posts seem to dismiss the point and talk about eating kids (understand the connection, but not what I was going for). Next posts seem to dismiss me as Crazy (we're cool now, Early...I get it). Sorta just got my hackles up...know what I mean? Interesting phenomenon, though. I've been glancing at these boards for awhile now. Always seemed very congenial. Is it just me or does the fanbase seem to be splintering into the Firefly and Serenity camps? If so, not cool. Basic point...I can handle high drama (like I said, I've seen the new Battlestar Galactica). I just don't know if I can be in for a series of movies that whiddles down the cast to a cool half dozen or so. I just feel like Yoko Ono has invaded the band...ya' know?

BOOMERGOODHEART

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:34 PM

HKC, I don't know what you meant exactly about the "Missourians" comment, but as a said "Missourian", I'm somewhat miffed.

Please explain your comment.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
HKC, I don't know what you meant exactly about the "Missourians" comment, but as a said "Missourian", I'm somewhat miffed.

Please explain your comment.

BoomerGoodheart
"I love my Captain."

A reference to the whole "Show Me" mindset that your people are renown for?

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by BoomerGoodheart:
HKC, I don't know what you meant exactly about the "Missourians" comment, but as a said "Missourian", I'm somewhat miffed.

Please explain your comment.

My apologies, BoomerGoodheart, I was refering to Missouri in its capacity as the Show-me State, implying that certain folks had to be shown a thing {a very particular thing which has been under discussion which I won't mention directly 'cause it would constitute a spoiler) before they could imagine it could happen. It was merely a whimsical association I made as I was writing. I meant no offence towards true Missourians.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

QUASARWINDS

Thursday, October 6, 2005 12:15 AM

There aren't many people who claim to have the "ear of Joss" or even the "Joss knows best" philosophy". But Thanatus, you strike me as an educated person or someone who has a very good dictionary or just maybe someone with a very smart friend. Seriously, I think you knew that saying what you did at the top would produce so called "shock value". Indeed that may be why you did it. Firefly has a very strong fan base, very dedicated, I need not list the evidence as it is...evident. I cannot believe that someone such as yourself would not expect a reaction from people after you come and post (what appears to be, irregardless of your original intent) a very offensive (and as you said, vulgar) stance on the movie. Also your description of how everyone would die, especially the detail of Zoe's suicide, probably alienated people and they took you at first glance to be a "crazy person”. As for myself…. Forget genres of science fiction vs reality. Serenity is a movie. Movies are made to entertain (and in a shallower sense, make the people involved richer then they already are). Were you entertained? If so, that's good. You got your money's worth. If not, perhaps Joss Whedon's style is not to your liking. Doesn't matter if it wasn't the best choice, or even if he was stoned and drunk the night he wrote that part of the script. He did what he did and it’s in the past. Also as to your nightmarish future? If Joss ever does something radical or something that is not to the liking of the fans, you’ll know. The drop-off of movie tickets, the slowing of DVD sales. It’s true that what he did in this movie may not have been to your liking or that of others. But the majority continues to support his decision. You are entitled to your opinion. Or is it just that all the true critics, the educated choose your path and we, the ignorant masses just don’t realize how “in the wrong” we are? After all, we “pseudo-religious zealots” don’t tend to think logically. In fact that’s the whole point of being a dedicated zealot, logic flies out the window. But if it wasn’t for the zealot’s belief, indeed the same devout unflinching faith that Joss would not let us down, much like The Operative who believed killing River was the right thing to do or Mal in his belief that the Universe needed to know the truth, there would be no movie. And then there would be nothing for you to criticize and examine. Nothing for you to take a point on. Nothing that would give you this much attention and stimulate such intellectual debate as to satisfy your needs. Which I hope we’ve done. Forgive me if I totally misunderstood anything you said. Maybe you should cut back on the Latin and use smaller words.

TERAPH

Thursday, October 6, 2005 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by DrRob:
I always thought (on the TV show) it was STUPID that no one else (even Mal) knew how to fly Serenity. Apparently that's been done away with now that River magically knows how to fly.

Mal flew Serenity in the pilot episode of the show. Mal, Inara and Zoe all flew the shuttles, so I imagine they could take Serenity's helm under most circumstances. But if you have a really good pilot, you use him. :)

As for River, she probably always knew how. You don't train an assassin who can't fly away (and she knew the make and model of the ship in "The Train Job" so she definitely knows ships). But being crazy means no one wants you at the helm.

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Originally posted by DrRob:And hey WHICH crafty crew member downloaded the security video feed for Mr. Universe to see huh?

None of them. They probably told him "hey, can you get us the security feed from Beaumont" and then he did it. Mr. Universe's comment "you always bring me the best violence" doesn't necessarily mean they brought the video -- just that they brought it to his attention.

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