A Modest Proposal...

POSTED BY: Thanatus
UPDATED: Saturday, October 8, 2005 00:26
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THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:30 PM

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GIANTEVILHEAD

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:36 PM

Don't forget the part where they combat overpopulation by eating children.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:43 PM

Yes, but that gets into "embracing the reality" of the Reavers storyline...

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:44 PM

Don't forget, it's one solution to many many problems, not just overpopulation, but stretching and thinning of resources, world hunger, devastation of the environment, spread of diseases, the list goes on and on... Thinning the herd is *good*.

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GIANTEVILHEAD

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:47 PM

Well, I don't eat children to control overpopulation or to stop world hunger and disease. I only eat children because they are simply... delicious, same reason why I eat bald eagles and giant pandas, oh and condor eggs.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

ZARK1976

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 6:59 PM

I understand that the point of this is to blow out of proportion the harm that has been done to the universe of firefly by killing off major characters and blowing a storyline out of the water, and demonstrating the depths that these characters could sink to in real life situations. I think the end of the movie was to demonstrate how strong the characters were, not how they wallow in their own bleakness.

Also, if we're speaking of reality vs. fictionalized drama, can you explain whiy a sword to the gut still allows a man to continue fighting? I'm sorry, I was more shocked that after all of the injuries taken at the end of the movie, that any of them were able to do anything.

"Could be he's harboring some resentment at us for putting his man through our engine."

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THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:10 PM

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EARLY

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:54 PM

Ok crazy people...its a movie, and a sci fi movie at that. I think when people say, Joss keeps it real, they mean he doesn't make it squeaky clean like Star Wars where the good guys always win and live happily ever after. Everyone knows that Joss doesn't write REAL stuff, he writes fiction. Sorry to burst the bubble, but there is no hotty vampire slayer, or vampire with a soul, or talking toys, or mutants with shiny claws, or spaceships with gravity drives. What is real is the heart of the characters. You don't have to over do it with Jayne raping Kaylee cause its a story...and you can make the reality of the characters and the story anything you want.

THANATUS

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 8:23 PM

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LUCYFERSAM

Wednesday, October 5, 2005 8:31 PM

Alright, the post is rife with spoilers, so I'll jsut give some space before starting rather than making the whole thing a spoiler tag.

See, I'm about as tired with people complaining about Joss killing characters and making a terrible mistake as you are with people saying Joss knows best (this is in part due to spending a long time arguing with a friend over Wash's death yeasterday). Yes, he does owe something to his muse, and to his audience, and that is to make the best stroy he knows how to make, not the nicest, not the happiest, not the most real, the best. If the author is not willing to actually kill characters when it is right for the story, all the suspense and danger in the world becomes pointless because it is fake. The characters have to me be mortal, have to be killable, or there is no real danger. Sure there were things I would consider mistakes in the film, but the darkness and death don't fall into that catagory. Characters exist to serve a storyline, and if their death serves the storyline best (which for me at least both of them in this movie did), then that is what has to happen to the character. In order to be a hero you must face danger, facing danger means risking death. More than anytime during the show the crew became heros in the movie, and that means some people die.

Saying that Book and Wash should not have died is like reading Fellowship of the Ring and complaining that Boromir and Gandalf die. Those events served a puprose in that book, and we don't know where things will lead in the future so it's hard to say what effect it will have.

Also, for refrence, you're worst of all possible worlds take is no more "real" than a constant happy shiny world. The world is a mix of good things and bad things, and making everything bad is just as silly as making everything good and safe.

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