It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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He was my baby and his death made me actually think about walking out of the theater.
actually, I had the same feeling. I was just so shocked and saddenned that i couldn't get up if i wanted to.
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The series is ruined for me now. Well, not ruined but certainly less enjoyable. I almost wasn't able to go see the movie again because I thought it would be too painful, but I ended up going again the very next day (I couldn't sit through it three times in a row as was originally planned) and I was suprised at how much I liked the movie. I had major issues with it the first time around (not just the fact that joss FRICKEN KILLED WASH) but the second time through, I really enjoyed the things that I had hated before. I even managed not to cry through Wash's "I am like a leaf on the wind" thing.
this is exactly what happened to me!!! I was quite disappointed in the movie the first time. Mal seemed way too harsh, river's witty sayings seemed kind of mechanical, and wash's death made it just impossible for me to enjoy the rest of the movie . but the second time i saw it ... WOW ... it was amazing. i still cried but i came armed with tissues that time. three times in a row was just too much for me since wash died, but i'm probably going to go this weekend and bring a friend.
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Okay, but getting to the original question asked, I have a couple of different theories. A) We could count the movie as a freaky dream - like The Phantom Menace. B) Maybe, when they got back to Serenity, Wash was still alive (just go with me on this one), and the doctor patched him up, and he was just fine. But - turns out, that fry cook job he was fired from (or any other thing...maybe Niska's still mad at him) makes him think that maybe it would be good if he faked his death and the reason that River and Mal were flying the ship at the end was because either he was still recovering, or he was tearing Zoe's clothes off. Or, maybe C) Something way better than I have come up with so far.
A) too cliche and it takes away from Wash's death AND the whole movie. B) that undermines the end of the movie too. we want something that is going to make wash come back, but still make the end of the movie and in fact that whole great gorram movie matter. I'm in favor of bringing wash back as a ghost that only river can see.
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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A) too cliche and it takes away from Wash's death AND the whole movie.
I'm not talking about a Dallas-esque sort of thing, more of a let's-pretend-that-it-didn't-happen-and-maybe-it-will-go-away sort of thing. Maybe if, as a group, we decided, "hmmmm....no. Wash didn't die." and were united enough Joss would listen and make it go away? no? I'm delusional and thinking of things that could in no way make sense or work? okay. I'll accept that analysis. I'm grasping at straws here because I don't think that I am ready to accept the death of a character that I relate to and identify with on so many levels. I miss him. Very much. (yes, I know that I sound insane, but I have been with these characters from the very begining and you tend to get a bit attached. flans understand that sort of thing.)
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Wash's death was completely apripori. I am glad it happened...a little hurt...but glad it happened. Had his death been typical MOVIE death, then I'd put the show down forever. Book was granted that honor. But in any story to make it more real you have to breakdown all perceptions. Think about this what do you really love about firefly? Most people I've asked have said the same thing over and over again....they had seen nothing like it. Well Serenity encompasses this same emotional response, and ups it.
R.I.P. HW
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Keep in mind... Book is my favourite character, always has been, always will be. But I managed to handle his death much better simply because I could see it within a fictitious environment. It was harder to do that with Wash. That, and, by that point, I was scared for the rest of the crew. I was on edge the most when Kaylee got those two darts to the neck, because I knew I couldn't handle another death at that point. And I'm usually fine with movie deaths!
everyone keeps saying that Wash's death made you fear for the other characters lives. Well, for me that wasn't true. I was afraid that something would happen, like someone might be maimed or something, but i knew we really couldn't lose anyone else or else there wouldn't be enough crew members for a good sequel. Maybe that's just me.
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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I'm not sure why Joss did what he did. Maybe it was a cheap trick to put the audience on the edge of their seats for the finale, although I'd expect better treatment of a character from Joss. Over the years, I've come to respect Joss as a solid craftsman -- someone who understands the medium in which he works and uses it effectively.
When i was younger, I used to read Harlan Ellison's short stories. For all of their artistry, I often found myself angry at him as an author. Why? Because he would create characters, throw them into the deep end of the pool (metaphorically speaking) -- and then happily record their subsequent drowning.
As a writer myself, I have an unholy respect for my characters -- a love that some authors might find ludicrous. I don't believe they exist solely to advance the plot, anymore than human beings exist just to move along the action in everyday life. People are more than what they do, Sartre notwithstanding. I throw challenges at my people, and they respond as best they can. It is their reaction to the challenges that moves the plot. As a result of overcoming the challenges, they learn and grow, and then I throw harder challenges at them so they can learn and grow more.
But if you kill a character, it should be for something more than just for effect.
I didn't want Wash dead, ever. I certainly didn't want him killed to create a mood, or raise the level of dramatic tension.
Part of Joss's skill is his ability to create characters that transcend their existence as characters, and become people you feel you know. He facilitates an extension of the viewer's suspension of disbelief to the point where you'd love to sit down in Serenity's kitchen and spend time chowing down with this crew.
Wash was family, his fictitious status notwithstanding. To have him killed so precipitously, torn away without warning -- well, it's like watching an old friend step off the curb into the path of an oncoming semi. If Joss used him as a tool for establishing dramatic tension, it's even worse. Instead, it's like watching someone you trust SHOVE your old friend in front of the semi just to make you worry that someone else you love might be next.
Yes, Wash belonged to Joss. But he belonged to all of us too, because we gave him life by believing in him and the whole crew.
This being said, he's gone. Any attempt for Joss to bring him back to life would be no better than Spock's return from death in the Trek movie franchise. I can think of a neat way to bring him back that would be funny and touching and right for Wash -- as a ghost only River (and the audience) could see and hear, delivering ongoing commentary about the action without being able to take part. Even so, the empty seat at Serenity's table would stay empty. And his wry counterpoint to the "wacky fun" would go unheard, and unanswered, by the crew.
I guess the bottom line for me is this. Joss can do what he wants with his characters. But Wash was ours as much as he was Joss's, because we gave him life and believed in him. And even though Wash wasn't real. I will mourn his loss. The franchise isn't dead, and it promises to take some interesting twists and turns in the future (if there is one).
But the dinosaurs are silent, the Hawaiian shirts are packed away, and Zoe sleeps alone. Requiescat in pace, old friend. You will be missed.
Had my say, done my dance. The rest is dust and ashes.
"Big damn heroes? AINTWEJUST."
"Everybody dies alone." -- Mal Reynolds
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Yeh,I went to see it, and didn't expect any of the deaths that happened. I didn't expect the whole crew to be shot or beat up either, but it fit. That's the only movie I've ever cried at because of a scene. It took me two days to accept that Wash died. Although, I think it wouldn't have been the same if he didn't die. I was pretty speechless. I did think Zoe should have showed a little more care that her hubby got impaled by a giant spike. I don't care how war disciplined she is, that just wasn't cool. I always had the slight idea she only married him because he was the only guy who wasn't her captain or...well, Jayne.That just bothered me.
RIP Wash, Book, and Mr. Universe.
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that was wonderful AINTWEJUST. it's what i've been trying to get across the whole time. And if i may say, it was a wonderful memorial to Wash.
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But the dinosaurs are silent, the Hawaiian shirts are packed away, and Zoe sleeps alone. Requiescat in pace, old friend. You will be missed.
Had my say, done my dance. The rest is dust and ashes.
Wash, you were the best Gorram pilot in the verse. rest in peace good buddy (and then come back!!!)
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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I did think Zoe should have showed a little more care that her hubby got impaled by a giant spike. I don't care how war disciplined she is, that just wasn't cool. I always had the slight idea she only married him because he was the only guy who wasn't her captain or...well, Jayne.That just bothered me.
The reason Zoe was like that was because of shock. She had just seen her lover and soulmate impaled in the middle of his sentence. She shows it later when they're all fighting the reavers. She goes out of the line and doesn't care if she gets killed. She's so intense in that scene. Zoe is and always has been a warrior woman. She keeps things bottled up. She knew that if she broke then, the crew probably wouldn't get through the fight.
Wash, you were the best Gorram pilot in the verse. rest in peace good buddy (and then come back!!!)
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
He’s Ensign Smith beaming down with the away party. It’s unfortunate that Wash was played by, arguably, the best actor of the whole bunch, and he will be missed, but his death served the story far more then this humorous platitudes ever could. Even though I was fairly sure, Joss wouldn’t kill off anyone else.
Redshirts - my good friend Finn... We call'em redshirts... or if you liked Galaxy Quest "Crewmen #6" will do.
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I was devastated. I barely remember anything that happened after Wash's death. I wept like a child all the way home.
I had planned to go see the film a few more times on opening weekend but could not make myself emotionally do that. I almost threw away my DVDs because it hurt too badly to watch them.
It really, truly affected me. I honestly wonder how much of a cut in the film's box office was due to fans having too much of an emotional reaction to go see the film again. I know I couldn't.
I was upset at Book's passing, but he was redeemed after a long life. Wash. . .just killed me.
My grandfather was unexpectedly rushed to the hospital on Monday (Thank GOD he's OK) and I was confronted with the difference in pain for an fictional character and pain for a person in real life that you love-there is honestly no comparison. I bring that up because my reaction to Wash's death was so strong that I was honestly worried about my connection to a ficticious character. I cannot help but feel that the shot at Wash was cheap and unworthy. It hurts, and while I intellectually understand all the rationales proposed on this thread, I'm still pretty angry about it.
"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not be afraid." John 14:27
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