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Discussion for the subject: What happened to my show, 'cause Serenity wasn't it?!

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UPDATED: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 03:51
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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by Rakarr:
So yeah pretty sure it's 14...


yes
obviously
I was talking about what it should have been
which is 22 episodes
and what I would want if I was given my preference:
22 episodes a year.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:10 AM

I don't understand what you mean it "should have been" 22 episodes? The season was going to be 22 episodes long? Or you just wish it was? or what? No way it was going to be 22 episodes and I highly doubt any show will have a 22 episode season. Atleast not any time soon.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by R1Z:
If Serenity is 5 years past Firefly, why does Mal talk about the 8 months Simon and River have been on board? Did they get off for 4 years?
--Robt. Heinlein


no no, the movie takes place 5-6 MONTHS after the ending of Firefly...
not years, months.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:18 AM

yeah, they all do...
Buffy always (well, not the first season) had 22 episodes per year
Angel always had 22 episodes per year...
Enterprise got cut to only 18 but they had been more

I understood that that was standard for most shows in the USA...at least most network shows.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:26 AM

22 being the standard? Hmmm.... I believe 13 or 14 is the standard. That's what its been for most shows recently that I watch. Like The Shield, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, Lost was around 14 eps, Prison Break's first season isn't over yet but seems to be comeing really close to an end, Law & Order I believe... I'm pretty sure the standard is about 14 episodes for a season. I think Firefly was going to be just a 14 episode season cause they only produced 14 episodes.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:27 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:

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Neither man was killed deliberately or specifically. Neither man’s death was a necessary means to the ends of their killers who killed them anonymously. Book’s survival alone wouldn’t have granted Mal a place to hide; Wash’s death was purely random, could have been anyone (again, only meaningful as a way to shake up genre-cynical hardcore fans).

Book’s death has a motivational consequence for Mal, at least; but Wash’s death is virtually without consequence. I’m sorry, a couple tired double entendres from Zoe don’t cut it for me. On another thread someone suggested a brief scene of Zoe crying in Mal’s arms. That’s the kind of scene we might have gotten near the end of an episode of Firefly--quiet, unexpected, slightly out of character, but so meaningful.





you complain that 'Serenity' was written to please the fans,
but in fact you are complaining that it didn't suit YOUR needs.....
you wanted movie deaths with meaning, and speeches, and time to mourn...
but in RL death is senseless, random, and sudden...
and I think Joss is a fan of the RL arbitary death.

And Zoe would NEVER have cried in Mal's arms, she never did during war and there is no way their formal relationship (she always calls him 'Sir') would allow her to do it...
ever

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She could have cried in Wash's arms,
that is part of the reason her repression of all emotion is so emotional...IMO



it is very true that we had quiet time, down time on Firefly,
but that is the thing about TV...you have unlimited time to take your time to tell a story,
that will never ever happen in a movie.
Movies have to keep to the point.
well, at least action movies do.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:30 AM

oh Rakaar, you are comparing cable station's original programming
(which is always done on the cheap, w/fewer episodes per season)
I had noticed that w/HBO & Showtime too,
they ran VERY short seasons....
BUT
with a network show...
Firefly would have been like Angel & Buffy
and Friends and West Wing and Law & Order and Desperate Housewives and Lost and and and
it would have had 22

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:39 AM

If it were to have 22 episodes, then why doesn't it on the DVD Set? Or why haven't those episodes been made?

There isn't need to argue over this. there isn't 22 episodes. Just 14. What could of been doesn't matter. What matters is what can be.

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R1Z
Wednesday, October 5, 2005 7:54 AM

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If it were to have 22 episodes, then why doesn't it on the DVD Set? Or why haven't those episodes been made?

Because the show was cancelled mid-season. The Christmas party became the "wrap" party.

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein

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Wednesday, October 5, 2005 9:54 AM

Rakarr,

Network TV usually has 22 episodes per season. When new series are produced, they usually order about half a season's worth to start, like 10 or 11. In Firefly's case, they ordered 11, then 3 more (probably the 3 that weren't aired). So Firefly the complete series is really half a season's worth...and people can't help but wonder what Joss could have done with a full season's worth to tell the story. That's all. No need to get into a wad over it.

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