It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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written by DIGIFICWRITER
Although this is way off-topic, I wanted to say that I really disagree with the assessment that there were other ways to drive Willow over the edge than killing off Tara. If you truly understand Willow's character and the way she viewed not only herself, but the world around her, you'd see that the death of somebody incredibly close to Willow was the only way to push her into doing what she does at the end of Season 6. It necessarily wouldn't have had to have been Tara, but outside of her, the only other character who was as close to Willow was Xander.
sorry everyone. This is still off topic but I really want to answer this. I disagree with you, DIGIFICWRITER. I think that there could have been other ways to push Willow over the edge but i also realize that tara had to be out of the way because she would have cushoned whatever happened to Willow. Tara always was willow's voice of reason and, not to mention, lover.
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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Ok, I don't know if this was mentioned above because I didn't read all of those posts because there was a large amount, so forgive me if I am repeating anyone's views, anyway.
Wash to live again? No. There was only one reason I didn't bawl my eyes out during Serenity, and that was because I was with my friend, and he would have told all my other friends about me crying, who would in turn make fun of me, and make me cry more since it would remind me of Wash. But enough about that!
I don't want him to come back in River's crazy mind(even though it's not so crazy anymore). If there's a sequel, I want it to be Zoe who goes crazy. I want her to screw up during a mission, I want her to completly just stare off into spare during a shoot-out, I want her to be so messed up by her husband's death, that it even affects the lives of everyone on board(Maybe she's flying the ship and nearly crashes it into a moon by mistake because she wasn't really paying attention, who knows!)
I want a scene where Zoe looks up and see's Wash smiling at her, and then it a shot of her looking quite happy, and then it goes back to the shot of Wash, but instead it's just Jayne eating a peach off his knife, or somesuch. I dunno, I just think that would be something hard to see, and yet very real.
I'm just talkin'
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i don't know where else to post this. i stumbled upon this site via a search engine in a desperate attempt to find some solidarity. please excuse me if this is a little long, but i think some context might help.
i'm not a "whedonite" or whatever the phrase is. i've seen the first 4 or 5 episodes of Buffy (i plan on watching the whole series in order), but HATED the idea of the show for years. i thought the idea of Firefly was really stupid when i first heard it. i thought it was right in line with all those crappy Sci-Fi channel shows that i can't stand (Babylon 5, Stargate, Farscape, etc.). shows that pass latex face sculpture off as alien life. shows that are lazy and cliche and useless.
but last weekend i saw the first Firefly episode. the double length one. my wife and i since watched the entire series in about a week. i fucking LOVE it. the series is pitch-perfect.
we saw the movie last night. i really loved it, start to finish. no complaints, despite what i have to say below. again, pitch-perfect. but i'll be honest, when i watched Wash die i felt like i got punched in the stomach. and i have been feeling like shit since. my wife was upset, but not THIS upset. i just can't get over it. i had trouble sleeping last night, going through the scene over and over in my head.
i've probably seen hundreds of thousands of people die on screen in my life. video games, movies, TV, whatever. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite movie, it's not like i'm overly sensitive. but something about THIS death just makes me want to tear my eyes out scream at somebody, "IT'S NOT FAIR!" he didn't get to say goodbye, he didn't get to stand up for himself, he didn't get to make a CHOICE. he was just sitting there, and they had to leave him.
the rule is supposed to be, "live by the sword, die by the sword." well, i wouldn't have been terribly surprised to see Jayne die. or the captain, or zoe, or river. not because of anything to do with the story, but because they're warriors. but killing Wash just ruins me.
i've read all the comments above mine, and reading them has helped. but i'm not a "browncoat," so this kind of reaction just seems inappropriate to me. maybe i'm being to empathetic, or something. i don't know. but all iknow i was feeling great yesterday and now i feel like crap, and i want to feel better again. i want to think of the series as something that makes me happy, and 24 hours after seeing the movie that just seems too hard.
bla.
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tmurrie wrote:
Wash to live again? No. There was only one reason I didn't bawl my eyes out during Serenity, and that was because I was with my friend, and he would have told all my other friends about me crying, who would in turn make fun of me, and make me cry more since it would remind me of Wash. But enough about that!
I don't want him to come back in River's crazy mind(even though it's not so crazy anymore). If there's a sequel, I want it to be Zoe who goes crazy. I want her to screw up during a mission, I want her to completly just stare off into spare during a shoot-out, I want her to be so messed up by her husband's death, that it even affects the lives of everyone on board(Maybe she's flying the ship and nearly crashes it into a moon by mistake because she wasn't really paying attention, who knows!)
I want a scene where Zoe looks up and see's Wash smiling at her, and then it a shot of her looking quite happy, and then it goes back to the shot of Wash, but instead it's just Jayne eating a peach off his knife, or somesuch. I dunno, I just think that would be something hard to see, and yet very real.
don't get me wrong. I want to see zoe's reaction, not to mention the rest of the crew's reaction to wash not being there anymore, but that can still happen, even if wash comes back. wash will just come back later in the movie so we can see everyone's reactions.
River: There's too much snow on top. It's going to cave in. His brain's in grave danger.
Zoe: River, honey, he's putting the hair away now.
River: It doesn't matter. It'll still be there. Waiting...
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I hate the fact that Wash was killed. I'm sure that it did contribute to the ending of the film, but I really don't care. Wash was the guy that I always looked forward to when watching episodes. It was always, "oh, hey! Wash has a great line in this one!" or "Wash gets to do something awesome here!" and I'm going to miss that. He was my baby and his death made me actually think about walking out of the theater. (oh, and skyscraper - I ran into that spoiler months ago, too. I share your pain at being spoiled.)
And don't think that I am a one-day throw-away fan. I saw the The Train Job on tv and was hooked ever since. I went to the movie in costume. I have all nine main character costumes, and a reaver costume, and an alliance costume that I have made thatI lent out so others could go. When I say that I am a devoted fan, I am. The series is ruined for me now. Well, not ruined but certainly less enjoyable. I almost wasn't able to go see the movie again because I thought it would be too painful, but I ended up going again the very next day (I couldn't sit through it three times in a row as was originally planned) and I was suprised at how much I liked the movie. I had major issues with it the first time around (not just the fact that joss FRICKEN KILLED WASH) but the second time through, I really enjoyed the things that I had hated before. I even managed not to cry through Wash's "I am like a leaf on the wind" thing.
Okay, but getting to the original question asked, I have a couple of different theories. A) We could count the movie as a freaky dream - like The Phantom Menace. B) Maybe, when they got back to Serenity, Wash was still alive (just go with me on this one), and the doctor patched him up, and he was just fine. But - turns out, that fry cook job he was fired from (or any other thing...maybe Niska's still mad at him) makes him think that maybe it would be good if he faked his death and the reason that River and Mal were flying the ship at the end was because either he was still recovering, or he was tearing Zoe's clothes off. Or, maybe C) Something way better than I have come up with so far.
I do think that Zoe is pregnant though. It just seems to fit. Whether Wash is or is not coming back, I think that Zoe is pregnant.
or, I could be crazy.
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Re: clockwork, a couple things you mentioned really jived with my opinion, so I just wanted to chime in on that.
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Originally posted by clockwork:
i've seen the first 4 or 5 episodes of Buffy (i plan on watching the whole series in order), but HATED the idea of the show for years. i thought the idea of Firefly was really stupid when i first heard it. i thought it was right in line with all those crappy Sci-Fi channel shows that i can't stand (Babylon 5, Stargate, Farscape, etc.). shows that pass latex face sculpture off as alien life. shows that are lazy and cliche and useless.
but last weekend i saw the first Firefly episode. the double length one. my wife and i since watched the entire series in about a week. i fucking LOVE it. the series is pitch-perfect.
Now, I do enjoy some of the shows you mentioned (actually, all three). But I know exactly what you mean about the latex-as-real bit. And that's one thing I love so much about Firefly; it's set apart from other, typical Sci-Fi by how realistic it comes off. Sure, there's the terraforming and space travel, but otherwise it feels so much more human than other science fiction. Perhaps that's why the best elements of your classic Western fit so well within it.
It's also why Firefly is my absolute favorite series ever to have been on television.
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Originally posted by clockwork:
i've probably seen hundreds of thousands of people die on screen in my life. video games, movies, TV, whatever. A Clockwork Orange is my favorite movie, it's not like i'm overly sensitive. but something about THIS death just makes me want to tear my eyes out scream at somebody, "IT'S NOT FAIR!"
It's kind of like what I mentioned... Wash's death affected me unlike any other fictional character's death I've ever seen. Perhaps for slightly different reasons than you, but I still felt very, very dismal afterwards. I could hardly eat, even.
Now I can see why Athenians used to commit suicide during Ancient Greek drama before comedy was inserted. KF
~Kaiser Farooque
ZOE: Preacher, don’t the Bible have some pretty specific things to say about killing?
BOOK: Quite specific. It is, however, somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps...
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I almost walked out the theater after Book's death, and when Wash came around to getting all stabbed like he likes to do (Oh that Wash, always stabbin himself), I actually stood up, literally, the guy behind me told me to sit down, I almost walked out, but thought that Wash might come back! He might just tear off his arm like that one hiker who cut his arm off when it was under a giant boulder.
And then I imagined him shooting a reaver in the head, before it devours Zoe, and then killing the rest of them with his newly fashioned robotic/reaver arm he magically patched up from scrap parts of Serenity, and random reavers he killed on the way. And THEN, just when you think he's actually dead at that funeral scene...BAM, he holds his hands over Zoe's eyes and says "guess who?!"
Yes, I actually thought it might happen. And the possibility of it happening was the only reason I kept watching. Wash's death has only recently been accepted by me, and for a few days I considered mass murder on my Firefly dvds. I lost all, read it, ALL my hope that Joss Whedon was an actual human being. But I had to live on.
Sorry that was so long, I just had to share my Wash-kicking butt fantasy with you all.
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I loved that Wash died. It was totally unexpected. Even though someone with a loose tongue spoiled it for me before the movie started, I was still surprised when it happened. I know this will probably not be a popular opinion, but Wash was a throw-away. He had no story behind him. No swashbuckling attitude. No dark secrets. He was pure hero-support. Someone to fill the lulls in the episodes with a humorous retort. But with no episodes, Wash is really an expendable character. He’s Ensign Smith beaming down with the away party. It’s unfortunate that Wash was played by, arguably, the best actor of the whole bunch, and he will be missed, but his death served the story far more then this humorous platitudes ever could. Even though I was fairly sure, Joss wouldn’t kill off anyone else. I still found myself anxious at the injuries inflicted on the other heroes. And when River jump out into the Reaver-fest, I admit, I half-expected not to see her alive again. Furthermore, in future releases, whether they are on the big screen or the small, Wash’s death adds a whole new dimension to Zoe. My guess is that Wash would have been a deadman come some season finale anyway, if Firefly had lasted that long, given Joss’ uncontrollable tendencies to kill off heroes.
Truth be told, I think Book’s death was much more expensive. Book was just hero support too, but he had potential to add stories to the plot. On the other hand, any stories that Book might have contributed probably wouldn’t have risen to motion-picture level. So unless Firefly returns to tv, it’s debatable how much impact his death will have.
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I too was stunned when Wash died, but thankfully, it happened suddenly. What got to me even more was the funeral scene. Seeing Wash's happy face on that tombstone and then watching Zoe walk between the rest of the crew - tears, many tears! Am I the only one that felt that way? I just wasn't prepared for that.
Nope, You weren't the only one. I wasn't prepared either. I cried even more during the funeral scene and seeing the tombstone and Wash's happy face... with that...cute smile. Oh, I think I might cry again.*runs off & cries..again*
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"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
-Wash.
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Needless to say again, but I loved Wash, too. Second fav character of the series. The woman behind me gasped when it happened. I was sure my friend in the seat next to me had hit me in the chest. I had to push it aside, just as the crew did, until the final showdown was done. Afterwards, thinking about it, I was able to put it into the perspective that helped me get through Buffy and Angel:
Joss hates people being happy.
Both his characters and his fans. What makes it worse is that he makes such great characters and stories that he has that POWER over us, to actually make us physicaly hurt or loose sleep or feel sick to our stomachs because a fictitious character dies. Wash. Book. Tara. Fred. Joyce.
My only solace is that Joss finds decent ways to have dead characters hang in there.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
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