It CAN'T be true!!! *major movie spoilers*
POSTED BY: engineangel
UPDATED: Sunday, March 26, 2006 06:58
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am just crushed ... i understand why book died. his last words got mal to go to miranda and do what he needed to do to get there, when he otherwise wouldn't have even tried nor would he have gone to such great lengths as to desecrate his ship to get there. This doesn't mean that I am a fan of his dying, but I do understand where it's coming from. Also, if one person didn't die the movie wouldn't have been as spectacular.
BUT Wash had absolutly no possible reason to die, except if Joss was setting up for the next movie where it's all about Zoe questioning what she does and stuff. but i don't like that explanation!!! My father is a writer and although he praises Joss for being brave enough to kill Wash off (it is hard to hurt or kill one of the characters you have created), he agrees that there was no reason to do it.
I think it may relate kind of to what Tara's death did to Willow (in Buffy). It pushed her over the edge. But there were other ways to push Willow over the edge without killing a much beloved character. Just like that is true, so is this. Wash could have been wounded in the arm by that thing or anything else cound have happened.
For all those Browncoats out there who are saying, "Yeah it was a punch to the stomach but i'm getting over it and everyone else should too," you don't seem to realize just how much this death has hurt us. At least to me, and many other browncoats, the family that i watch on the tv or movie screen has come to be part of my family in a way. If you're mother or brother or wacky uncle (as may well be the case) suddenly dies, you're not just going to get over it. This was a major part of my world and Zoe's world.
Now get me straight, this is not a hate-filled rant. This is not directed at Joss (how can i hate Joss when he's brought me Buffy and Angel and Firefly and Serenity). If I am Forced to look at this situation logically, this was his show and it was his right to do what he wants to do to the characters. That doesn't mean that i like logic or am going to abide by it. LOGIC SUCKS!!!!
I went to see this movie 2 times this weekend and both times i cried ... a lot. the second time i went i came armed with tissues. The first time i watched this movie on friday, the shock was just way too much for me. I mean he was impaled. THe second time it wasn't a shock but it was still horrible. And right in the middle of a sentence! 
so browncoats, i need your help. I'm trying to figure out a way that Wash can come back. the obvious ones are cloning or an android but i would rather not see that. The best one that I've come up with at this time is that Wash somehow (and i don't know how-that would be up to Joss) comes back as a ghost that only River can see. The problem is i want the real wash back, but he was impaled. How are we going to gety around that?
well, please travelers. help me find a way to bring wash back!!!
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I'm surprised that you, and particularly your Father, can't see how
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Wash's death altered the emotional atmosphere of the last 20 minutes of the movie.
Book's death we saw coming, we weren't even surprised, it was a 'movie death'.
But when Wash died all of a sudden all bets were off, anyone could be killed off.
When Zoe or Kaylee or Simon were injured we were on the edge of our seats feeling that Joss could take another of our heroes away from us. Even River could have died ... because this was suddenly a VERY dangerous world and getting in the way of brutal forces like the Alliance and Reavers is seriously scary stuff.
This is no longer a safe TV episode where everything will be alright in the end,
clearly everything will NOT be alright ever again.
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Quote:embers, you're right on the mark- I hate, Hate, HATE that Wash was killed...but I support Joss' decision to make it so. It wasn't a 'fun' decision for him to make, I'm sure, but a bold and realistic one.
Originally posted by embers:
I'm surprised that you, and particularly your Father, can't see how Wash's death altered the emotional atmosphere of the last 20 minutes of the movie.
When deaths occurred in Matrix 3, for example, I ended up resenting the writers for pulling a needless 'Shakespear' on us ( "Hey, what do we do now?" " I know, let's KILL everyone, that will make it an important statement!!" " Yeah, worked for Shakespear!"); however, in Serenity, the need for loss was there. The story was too important to sugar-coat it.
( Just hope Wash didn't leave his Katra lying around in someone...)
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I loved the movie! I mean, I laughed and cried, really cried when WASH WAS KILLED!!! If I could change anything, ANYTHING about that movie it would be not getting Wash killed. The whole movie was FANTASTIC and AWESOME but it just twisted my gut that Wash was killed. I cried!I literily bawled. It just broke my heart. If there's gonna be a sequel( there better be.) I don't care how they do it, they better bring Wash back or some violence is going to ensue!
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Okay...
Maybe the Wash's actor (Alan Tudyk) either wanted out of the series or had other things to do (doubt it). But the easiest way to have a show lose a character is kill them off.. (I screamed when it happend, had popcorn chucked at my head...)
You'd have to ask Mr. Tudyk or Mr. Whedon...
Awesome movie though...
I laughed, I cried... I wish Wash hadn't of died... woe is me.
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I'm glad Wash died.
Let that sink in.
I loved the character of Wash. I loved Firefly. I am no less obsessed or caring for any part of the Verse than anybody else.
But how many times have you seen a movie, everyone gets away scot free, or one character has a tragic death, like Book's, full of obvious meaning and purpose, and think "Yeah, like that's real."
Of course, we go to the movies to pretend we're somewhere else. We, generally, don't want movies that remind us of the perils of living, cause we paid good money to escape that. Forget that these are the best films.
As noted above, Wash's death creates suspense throughout the entire film beyond that point. Is anybody safe? Nope. If there's a sequel, is anybody safe? Nope.
But that's not even the best part to me. This was Wash's only way to die a hero. He just performed a miraculous landing, saving the ship and crew (mostly). If he dies in battle, it looks like ineptitude. But dying in the manner he did, it's the best death the character of Wash could hope for.
And thank you Joss for that. Because, while truely shocking in my first viewing, the second time, all of this becomes clearer. With one Reaver Telephone Pole through the chest, the entire world of Serenity is flipped upside down. Brilliant.
Now Joss, please please please please please keep him dead. I loved Wash, too, but bringing him back, in any non-flashback, non-River's crazy mind way, just cheapens this brilliant fitting death.
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Wash's death also made what they were trying to do BIGGER. It ramped the emotional power of the climax through the roof. This was important. This was major. It was more dangerous than anything they had done before, and it might just demand their lives. Wash's death upped the stakes of the climax and, as has been pointed out, upped the tension by shattering our security, our movie-sense that the crew might take a beating but in the end they'd come out of it okay. All of a sudden, anyone could die. There was actually a point when I seriously started to wonder if any of them were going to make it out alive. That rarely happens to me in movies, and I liked it. It was some brilliant writing on Joss's part. So Wash's death was horrible, and more than slightly devastating, but I think it was necessary and fitting.
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Wash's death was a total shock and one of the big twist in the movie wich has effected the future of Firefly forever.
Also his death really changed the tone of the movie. It was like they were safe and out of harms way that one moment, but then BLAM! Reavers get Wash. After that moment I really was worried about Zoe when she got slashed in the back. Then really worried about Kaylee when she got hit by those 3 darts. Then worried about Simon when he got shot. Honestly I was most worried about Kaylee cuz I thought she actually did die at first from those darts. Really wasn't sure till that scene was actually over. So the death of Wash really set the tone for that scene. That scene wouldn't of been nearly as good imo if Wash or one of the crew didn't die.
Also imo Wash dieing and how he died how it was so unexpected is just an example of wonderful writing imo. And it will really give a new twist for the future of Firefly probably getting a new crew member unlike the other characters and unlike Wash. Just gives room for a new personality to be aboard Serenity, or even give River a new role to play. Really I'm wondering where they will go with River in the future?
Anyways I praise Joss for killing Wash, even though it's sad to see him go. I can fully understand some ones feelings about his death if Wash is their fav. Hell if he was my fav I'd maybe be saying the movie sucks and I'd cancle my order of the Firefly DVD set. Well maybe.... I can kinda compare this with Mortal Kombat. In the game Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance my fav character, Liu Kang is killed off. I pretty much threw my fav game franchise of all time that I've been playing since I was 5 or 6 years old just cuz my fav char was dead. Even started to hate my fav game franchise. So I can understand how some feel about Wash.
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Sitting on the edge of my seat, leaned over, not blinking, I was in awe the entire film. When Wash was impailed, I jumped. I leaned back... I took a total blow.
See, I've always put myself into Firefly and if I would be a character, I would be him. His personality is a lot like me and I'm a pilot myself (and a damn good one ;) ). I love women that can kick ass, a different race and marriage! I'm just as laid back and sarcastic as he is.
And seeing him actually die, I took a gulp and was overcome with worry for the rest of the crew. Just as mentioned above, I was thinking the crew to be more vulnerable.
The point is, I agree with Wash's death. These people are amazing but they're not invincible. The Alliance took casualties, the Reavers did, the common people did and the crew of Firefly did. It's war - there are always casualties. The earlier explainations were a lot better but just think of it that way. I really really don't like the android or the clone idea.. that is just a desperate attempt to bring back Wash from the dead which is just corny and unrealistic.
Since everyone loves Wash, it was the most impacting emotionally. It's something worse taking in.
PS I love the part when Kayle gets an enormous will to fight after Simon telling her that he wants to shag her. "I'm gonna LIVE"
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