BDM Double Meanings
POSTED BY: DucesTecum
UPDATED: Saturday, February 18, 2006 21:41
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Originally posted by oddness2her:
I have a feeling Joss meant to draw a parallel between the Miranda populace and America's current political climate. He may not want us to become Reavers, but we shouldn't just lie down either.
Is it bad that I am so completely understanding this?
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Ummm...no?
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Originally posted by oddness2her:
Ummm...no?
Yeah, um, lol! Some context here: I'm Canadian, a citizen thereof. And from here, my perspective is that Mr. Bush and the administration that governs him is primarily geared to the betterment of his oily buddies. And that the large corporate media services serve that agenda, in large part by keeping us viewers of popular media entertained to the point of utter passivity. Kinda like a drug, all that mind-numbing enter-infotainment. A soporific infovirus. So, the parallel with the Pax(etc.) drug used on to still the aggressions on Miranda looks like it could have "a" connection. Could be coincidental, lotsa room for interpretation here.
Coulda simply been a plot device. Me, I'm chillin'.
Still, helluva movie, eh?
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I definitly agree with one and three as well as the political implications of the Pax. I'd also like to add that Wash's(god rest his fictional soul) last words "I am a leaf in the wind. Watch me soar." are very much like the common phrase used to express one's mortality in relation to time, "I am dust in the wind." Very appropriate and in adding "Watch me soar" gave his death a very liberating almost upbeat note despite that my stomach is still in knots two days after seeing it and the scene made me so emotional I was unable to go to the second showing i'd intended. I'm still looking for my "Wash's death support group" made up of browncoats who liked the movie, everyone who seems to be affected by it as much as myself has turned against the rest of the film because of it.
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I think you're obsessive and delusional and you'll see patterns and answers in the bottom of a cereal box ... but we're all like that when it comes to the 'Verse, so it's okay.
Originally posted by DucesTecum:
No need to get snippy Jayne. I told you where this came from and I didn't say I agreed with what was said. I merely asked for your thoughts about it.
Wow! Sorry you couldn't read and understand the joking reply which was clearly under your nose. Take offense at nothing much?
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Originally posted by DucesTecum:And who is Miss Calender and Angelus? This is a Firefly/Serenity thread and some of us have never seen or care to see Buffy or Angel. So there!
I do believe my point was that Joss doesn't create throw away characters and he doesn't take the 'death' of those characters lightly.
To paraphrase my Captain, "If I go and start a flame war, you'll see something different."
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
What are your thoughts on this?
SPOILER SPACE
I don't know why Joss killed either Book or Wash although I suspect with Book is was the poetic ending of an Operative dying at the orders of another Operative. You reap what you sow.
With Wash, sometimes being excellent at what you do still doesn't save you. Yes, he was a leaf on the wind and we watched him soar ... but on the ground he was as mortal as the rest of us.
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I keep wondering if Book wasn't originally a council member, or a general. It'd be fitting if he were the General who was in charge of the Serenity Valley campaign, and it would explain why the Alliance soldiers seemed so vehement (as though they knew who he was) when he needed healing in 'Home'. Just an idea. :o
And with Wash--I agree, but I'm thinking that Whedon did it with a plot in mind for the next movie. I see River as being the craziest, most talented pilot ever in the history of the 'Verse. Of course, I could be on crack. :o
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The episode is 'Safe'. I'm sure you knew that, just saying.
Most of the ones seem plausible except that "You won't see this coming" I think book could've been virtually any high ranking official/spy/etc to get that kind of treatment.
That seems too far fetched.
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To the original post...
Possibly all three of those are true. Possibly not.
The thing with Book I don't agree with you on. From what I remember Mal was telling Book that he should tell him how he knows so much abour crime some day. Book told him he didn't. I don't think that is Joss saying that he doesn't have to tell us his past. Who knows? Maybe Joss will come up with a prequal movie for Firefly/Serenity setting some time like during the Alliance vs. Indenpendence war perhaps wich we will learn more about each of the crew of Serenity of what they were up to before hand? That would be a good way to bring back Book and Wash for one more showing and could answer some questions. Well that's just a possibility. Really none of us (probably not even Joss) knows what will happen.
As for Zoe... Maybe they were actually talking about Zoe and how she feels, but maybe not. It's hard to say and there isn't proof.
As for Wash again it's hard to say for sure. Although I think I kinda agree with the Wash one cuz I sure as hell didn't see it coming. And really I didn't see it coming that they were gonna draw the Reavers to actually help them out. I thought what Mal was talking about was that they wouldn't see it coming that the truth would get out all over the 'Verse. I don't remember any one telling Mal or saying that the Alliance knew ab out Mr. Universe and that they found him.
"I am a leaf in the wind." 
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Originally posted by SlowSmurf:
The episode is 'Safe'. I'm sure you knew that, just saying.
That seems too far fetched.
Nope, I couldn't remember it, and I leant out my DVD's to my brother; ^^;
I don't know... I just hope we get a chance to find out. ;_;
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Ok, I 100% agreed with the Zoe thing, not at all with Wash, but I had another idea for the Book scene. I actually (me overthinking now) thought that the Shepherd was saying that their pasts were no longer relevant. It's about the here and now. And the future.
That was my take anyway.
Karen
p.s. Joss is quite a brilliant man, don't you think?
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Originally posted by Knibblet:Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet
I think you're obsessive and delusional and you'll see patterns and answers in the bottom of a cereal box ... but we're all like that when it comes to the 'Verse, so it's okay.
Wow! Sorry you couldn't read and understand the joking reply which was clearly under your nose. Take offense at nothing much?
I do believe my point was that Joss doesn't create throw away characters and he doesn't take the 'death' of those characters lightly.
To paraphrase my Captain, "If I go and start a flame war, you'll see something different."
WOW! I don't have a problem reading. I do have a problem reading humor when it isn't there. I take offense at being attacked without provocation when the very idea is to start a conversation, you know, the give and take of ideas merely for the sake of hmmm, conversing.
>>>>To paraphrase my Captain, "If I go and start a flame war, you'll see something different."<<<<<
shudder
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