BDM Double Meanings

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DUCESTECUM

Monday, October 3, 2005 11:18 AM

I flat-out hijacked, stole, copy-pasted this from the Firefly Prospero site because I haven't seen anything like it here and want to know what my FFF.net buddies think. I hope I haven't done anything which will "get me in trouble"!

My apologies to Rameking Shaped Flan for stealing any thunder.

>>>>>1. On Haven during the scene where Mal is seeking guidance from Book, Mal says something like, "You really have to tell me how come you know so much about all this. (meaning the Alliance Parliament and Operatives)" Book says, "No, I don't." Mal lets it drop.

During that exchange, Mal was the fans asking for Book's story. Book was Joss reminding us that he doesn't *have* to tell us. If we're obnoxiously annoying, we may get him to break down. But I think this movie was Book's story as told through The Operative. Book may not have left his service over River Tam, but something caused him to realize he wasn't doing the right thing. After that, it doesn't take much story to explain how he found his path and is living a life of pennance.

2. On Miranda when they are heading back through Reaver territory to get to Mr. Universe, someone warns Mal that the Alliance knows about Mr. Universe and they'll see them coming. Mal says, "They won't see this coming."

I think that is Joss commenting on Wash's death scene. Naturally, I didn't pick that up the first time...'cause I didn't see Wash's death coming. But the second time around, I thought that was a key line.

3. The obvious one. After everyone is getting back to normal on Serenity, Mal asks Zoe about Serenity, but he only calls the boat "her" instead of referring to it by name. Zoe answers, "She's tore up plenty, but she'll fly true."

This is a no brainer that they're talking about Zoe. I still want more from Zoe than an acknowledgement that "she's tore up plenty," but at least she's admitting that much.

What else have you found?<<<<<

What are your thoughts on this?

And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an over-abundance of schooling. Mal, Train Job

KNIBBLET

Monday, October 3, 2005 11:47 AM

What are your thoughts on this?

I think you're obsessive and delusional and you'll see patterns and answers in the bottom of a cereal box ... but we're all like that when it comes to the 'Verse, so it's okay.

SPOILER SPACE

I agree with your Book and Zoe observations but not the Wash death /Reaver attack.

Why don't I agree? That would mean that Joss looked at Wash's death as a sick joke on us.

He's never created throw away characters and he knows we love the people that he creates.

Miss Calendar's murder was a sick joke carried out by Angelus; however, it was not a sick joke on us. It was crucial to the story and not something you saw coming. It hurt like hell and Xander will ALWAYS hate Angel because of it.

Not a joke. Not a joke in either case.

I don't know why Joss killed either Book or Wash although I suspect with Book is was the poetic ending of an Operative dying at the orders of another Operative. You reap what you sow.

With Wash, sometimes being excellent at what you do still doesn't save you. Yes, he was a leaf on the wind and we watched him soar ... but on the ground he was as mortal as the rest of us.

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AURAPTOR

Monday, October 3, 2005 11:51 AM

Scenes 1 and 3 are good, but I have a different opinion on your take for the 2nd one. Wash's death wasn't what I took as being what Mal was talking about ( but clearly no one did see that comin ) What I took out of that scene was the Reaver fleet that Mal would have hot on their heels as they headed toward Mr. Universe.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

DUCESTECUM

Monday, October 3, 2005 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knibblet:
What are your thoughts on this?

I think you're obsessive and delusional and you'll see patterns and answers in the bottom of a cereal box ... but we're all like that when it comes to the 'Verse, so it's okay.

SPOILER SPACE

I agree with your Book and Zoe observations but not the Wash death /Reaver attack.

Why don't I agree? That would mean that Joss looked at Wash's death as a sick joke on us.

He's never created throw away characters and he knows we love the people that he creates.

Miss Calendar's murder was a sick joke carried out by Angelus; however, it was not a sick joke on us. It was crucial to the story and not something you saw coming. It hurt like hell and Xander will ALWAYS hate Angel because of it.

Not a joke. Not a joke in either case.

I don't know why Joss killed either Book or Wash although I suspect with Book is was the poetic ending of an Operative dying at the orders of another Operative. You reap what you sow.

With Wash, sometimes being excellent at what you do still doesn't save you. Yes, he was a leaf on the wind and we watched him soar ... but on the ground he was as mortal as the rest of us.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/MN-Firefly/

>>>>>I think you're obsessive and delusional and you'll see patterns and answers in the bottom of a cereal box ... but we're all like that when it comes to the 'Verse, so it's okay.<<<<<

No need to get snippy Jayne. I told you where this came from and I didn't say I agreed with what was said. I merely asked for your thoughts about it.

And who is Miss Calender and Angelus? This is a Firefly/Serenity thread and some of us have never seen or care to see Buffy or Angel. So there!

And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an over-abundance of schooling. Mal, Train Job

FIREFLYFAN70

Monday, October 3, 2005 1:00 PM

I agree with the first and 3rd idaes but not the second. When Mal said they won't see this coming I think he was referring to the Reaver fleet.

I do have another double meaning that I think has been overlooked tho. Early in the movie when they are getting ready for the heist at the trading station, Mal asks River if she understands her part in this. She relpys to him "Do you?"

To me that statement had more than one meaning. River asking Mal if he understood his part in what to come( the rest of the story) and also her role in the big picture, not just the heist.

I know I could be reading more into it but even Mals response of "this is what Ido implies something much deeper than just a simple robbery"

Just my 2 cents.

Fireflyfan70

DUCESTECUM

Monday, October 3, 2005 1:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Scenes 1 and 3 are good, but I have a different opinion on your take for the 2nd one. Wash's death wasn't what I took as being what Mal was talking about ( but clearly no one did see that comin ) What I took out of that scene was the Reaver fleet that Mal would have hot on their heels as they headed toward Mr. Universe.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

>>>>> your take <<<<< Please, I repeat again, these are not my ideas. I found them curious and thought they were an excellent topic for conversation.

Your thoughts however about the Reaver fleet, I am inclined to agree with but that also brings up the question How did Mal know the Alliance fleet would be waiting for him? I've seen it three times now but maybe I forgot or missed something.

And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an over-abundance of schooling. Mal, Train Job

LEXIGEEK

Monday, October 3, 2005 8:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DucesTecum:
How did Mal know the Alliance fleet would be waiting for him? I've seen it three times now but maybe I forgot or missed something.

Zoe says something to him along the lines of "It's a fair bet the Alliance knows about Mr. Universe. They'll see this coming." It was an educated guess.

ODDNESS2HER

Monday, October 3, 2005 9:31 PM

I have a feeling Joss meant to draw a parallel between the Miranda populace and America's current political climate. He may not want us to become Reavers, but we shouldn't just lie down either.

COZEN

Monday, October 3, 2005 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oddness2her:
I have a feeling Joss meant to draw a parallel between the Miranda populace and America's current political climate. He may not want us to become Reavers, but we shouldn't just lie down either.

Is it bad that I am so completely understanding this?

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JASONZZZ

Monday, October 3, 2005 10:05 PM

Ok, but what *is* your take?

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