Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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As for the spec about Mal's back-shot, I remember seeing a bolt of electricity, as if he'd been hit by a taser. Now, that normally incapacitates a person for several minutes, but it's somewhat more plausible than recovery from a bullet-hit.
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Thank you for your kindness JamieC and Murmurer.
Also Murmurer:
Thank you for the MAJOR SPOILERs; your last sentence makes me somewhat hopeful.
Rodash
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*Bump*
I am bumping this because more people have seen the movie, and more people will continue to see it in the days ahead. I don't agree with all of the sentiments here, but I know many people will share them. Best not to have to rehash old ground in a hundred new threads, but rather keep it contained here. Please everyone bump this till the movie comes out.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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I had the chance of speaking with both Alan and Joss at the premiere party. Both of them assured me that everything was going to be fine and ok and that Wash would be back. Joss wasn't specific as to how, but he said he had "many theories" (as I told him I had a couple myself). I trust him. Even if I felt like I'd been stabbed with a plastic woodgrain stake through the chest when I found out about Wash's fate...
MAL: If anyone gets nosy, just, you know... shoot 'em.
ZOE: Shoot 'em?
MAL: Politely.
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"If you're going to say that the price of freedom is high, then you just can't say it. Otherwise you're lying. A thing in movies that I have always been annoyed by is the righteous lord that looks over all of us but only kills the annoying guy. It's tradition. If you like somebody, they can't be harmed. And ultimately, I'm like, no no no, you know what? If you get yourself into a war, guess what? It's a war. And I put everybody through... just... hell. And literally, people need to know that everybody is expendable because otherwise they aren't going to be involved, they're going to know that I was disingenuous (sp?), that I said the price of freedom was high, but I didn't really mean it."
A quote from the Joss interview at the fandom.com that I felt was relevant to the topic.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Tracy:
I had the chance of speaking with both Alan and Joss at the premiere party. Both of them assured me that everything was going to be fine and ok and that Wash would be back. Joss wasn't specific as to how, but he said he had "many theories" (as I told him I had a couple myself). I trust him.
I spoke to Ron Glass after the premiere at Universal City on the 22nd. After complimenting him on his performance, I mentioned that I was a bit disappointed that we didn't learn Book's story. He said, "Tell Joss."
He didn't say anything else but MY impression/feeling was that he was not pleased that his character was killed off.
I knew this movie was going to River's story. My speculation was that the 2nd movie, if there was one, might explore Book and what moral choice he made, and that the third would wrap things up with Mal. And somewhere in there we would learn why Inara left her House.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie: it was intense, dramatic, and ADULT. However, as an earlier poster pointed out: "this is dark Serenity not playful Firefly." The darkness and intensity makes me slightly reluctant to take my 13 and 11 year old daughters but I will. (Note to Joss: if anything happens to Kaylee in any sequels, my daughters will need therapy and I will be sending you the bill
)I'm nervous about the demographics of the movie for non-Browncoats. Will adults looking for an intense drama be turned away because of the SF action-adventure elements? Will the teenagers and younger, looking for sf action-adventure, be turned off by the adult drama of the story? Let's hope us Browncoats and word of mouth will get people into the theater for this very unique movie.
P.S. Having seen Classic Star Trek change when it made it to the big screen, I suppose I knew in my heart that Serenity would be different from Firefly. It was still a surprise. I like both but I'll be in different moods for repeat reviewings.
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I've seen the movie for the 5th time as of yesterday and come to realize I hate that Wash and Book die more and more each time. IN MY OPINION (let's be clear on that) it wasn't necessary, it wasn't what I wanted and despite Joss's quote saying he gives fans what they need, it sure as go se wasn't what I needed.
But as I have repeatedly said I will go see it again and again because I support Universal and the cast and I want the trilogy.
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Thank you for the response, Fireflygal.
I've only seen the movie once. There is a lot going on and I am sure that I didn't catch all of it. I'm waiting for Friday for a 2nd veiwing.
Being old enough to have watched Classic Trek as it aired, I was sort of watching the movie the same way that I was watching the first Star Trek movie: please...please...be a good movie so that there will be more.
In terms of non-Browncoats, Book has so little screen time and so little involvement in the movie that his death has little meaning in the movie, except to show that The Operative is a bad and ruthless guy. But that was shown in the deaths of other people that Serenity contacted. So, the death of Book adds little to the movie. However, it does deprive us Browncoats of an extremely interesting and important character and the mystery of his background.
Wash, I liked very much but, I hate to say it, he was probably one of the most dispensable characters (or at least someone without a pending mystery when the show was canceled). I've read the theory that he had to die to make the danger to the others seem so very real and there is merit to that point of view. But I was already convinced of the danger so I'm not sure it added much.
And, in some ways, this is a reboot or restart of the show. Since there is $40 million involved, the movie is geared to a general audience, as well as us. But, the non-Browncoats don't know Wash well enough to feel the pain of his death. Save that for the sequel and until they know him, then they will feel it. In the movie he's just "the funny pilot" who dies.
The two deaths break up the ensemble. One of the charms of the series was the feeling of family. I couldn't quite hear the dialog, but Mal mumbles to River in the end something about "a ship runs on love". That was a bit missing because there was so much conflict and drama within the crew. I want to be part of the "Firefly" crew, I'm not so sure about sailing on the "Serenity".
I think the movie is an amazing achievement but it is "Serenity" not "Firefly". In the future, if I want an intense dramatic experience, I will pop the future Serentiy DVD into the player. If I want to have fun, I will probably pop a Firefly DVD in.
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Great review up on AICN, and the guy spends most of it talking about Joss's decision to off Book and Wash.
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Hola all. An emotionally torn Massawyrm here. For years I’ve bitched, I’ve ranted and I’ve downright screamed about the direction Hollywood went in the 80’s and never returned from. Many a film has pissed me off and let me down for absolutely failing the audiences of the world by making sure it always worked out in the end – making sure the heroes rode off into the sunset together. It seems that every mortal wound can be fixed these days, and as films are tested, retested and tested again we’ve ended up with a steady stream of homogenized entertainment that has forgotten the primary rule of ending a story – that there are two endings to every story: The ending the audience wants and the ending the audience really wants. The Audience wants E.T. to stay with Eliot. The audience wants Ilsa to stay with Rick, not Victor. The audience wants Jack to survive the cold waters to take care of Rose. And there’s a reason we love these movies despite these endings not being delivered. That’s because these endings suck. And for years, except for a few bright spots, these are the endings we’ve been given time and time again.
This has been my belief for years – something I’ve looked for in films, something I’ve hoped for in films and something that’s stuck with me in everything I’ve ever written. And tonight that belief has been tested. Joss Whedon has taken the crew of the Serenity, a crew I’ve come to love over time, put them through a hell from which they can never return and left me bleeding and crying on the mattress. And I don’t know if I want to kick him squaw in the nuts or kiss him square on the mouth for it.
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Joss Whedon has the biggest god damned set of balls I’ve seen in God knows how long. Joss Whedon has made a film that will piss off a lot of his fanbase, hell, that pissed me off, and if successful could have single handedly ushered back the days of old – at least as far as Genre Filmmaking is concerned. Joss Whedon has made his Seven Samurai, his Dirty Dozen, his Wild Bunch. Joss Whedon has made the first truly great space opera in quite some time.
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Serenity is everything Firefly always seemed to want to be but never was. Serenity is everything it should be and then some. Serenity is real honest to god Western that puts you right on the edge of your seat praying for someone, anyone to come out alive, and never promising that that’s actually going to happen. Serenity hits everything it aims at – it’s continuously funny, even in the most dramatic of sequences; it’s heartbreaking at the most unexpected of times; and it’s chock full of action and real danger every step of the way.
There is never a dull moment in Serenity, never a moment I wouldn’t willingly go back to and rewatch over and over again. And despite what Joss put me through, despite feeling cheated, feeling robbed, feeling like all of Firefly was just a sham, I can’t wait to go back. I can’t wait to spend those precious few moments with the crew of the Serenity one more time. And I never thought, even while watching the movie, that this was possible. I had no faith in Joss. I honestly thought he was going to cheat – that everything was just a dream, that this was all a premonition of River’s that would lead them on a different path, that River might possess some great, unknown juju that could fix it and make it all better. And that lack of faith scared me more than the idea of never seeing the crew alive again.
But I take it all back, Joss. I have faith. I believe in you now. You’ve made a real classic genre film, one I’ll see several more times in a theatre long before I can put it in my DVD player on repeat. One I’ll swear to in the morning when I wake up and give my daily praise to when I thank Cameron and Jackson and early Spielberg andNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME