Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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I have to say that I completely (and respectfully) disagree with you on this. Wash's death was the only moment I can remember in many years of movie-watching where I involuntarily gasped and clasped my hand over my mouth in shock.
In my opinion, that's a very GOOD thing.
Yes, it hurts to not have Wash or Book with us in potential sequels (maybe in flashback form?) but it made Serenity an incredibly powerful film for me. I really didn't think ANY of our heroes were going to survive the last act after Wash's death - I thought they were all going out in a blaze of glory, and I was riveted. I think the decision to kill Wash in such a shocking manner is one of the best decisions Joss ever made, and I praise him highly for it.
Oh, and I also think the new Battlestar Galactica is far superior to the original! 
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In the end of it all. After they are all written, made and seen by the fans, the movies themselves will make sense. And those of us left wondering why, will be saying " oh. Thats why."
All the great movies do it. You were meant to get hurt. You were meant to get angry. You will go see the other movies in hopes of some kind of explanation. I hope you get your answer so that you find some kind of ( lack of better wording) peace.
I havent seen the movie yet. I know these parts are coming, and I was shocked when I read about their deaths. I know I will cry and be a big baby. I want to add I knew that someone was gonna die and all I could do was cross my fingers and hope it wasnt kaylee. A door is always opened when Joss closes one. Just sometimes not right when the door slams shut.
We will just have to sit back and wait, and watch to see what will happen. Maybe just maybe a new character is introed and for that character to develope INTO our crew Wash or Book needed to die.
I totally sympathize with you. I cant say I am calling him to the carpet, but hey if he makes it would someone tell him I want an autograph???
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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Yes, it hurts to not have Wash or Book with us in potential sequels (maybe in flashback form?) but it made Serenity an incredibly powerful film for me. I really didn't think ANY of our heroes were going to survive the last act after Wash's death - I thought they were all going out in a blaze of glory, and I was riveted.
Exactly. I have a friend who has seen it twice (lucky bastard!) and he said, even knowing what was going to happen, he still felt like everyone was going to die at the end.
I was sad when I heard about Book's and Wash's deaths, but they serve the story well. Even though I spoiled myself beforehand, the ending was so intense because of Wash's death, and made the story that much better.
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came across this today. Just some bits & pieces from the Sydney Q & A but may help shed some light.
Q> How did you decide who to kill?
A> “My Dungeon Master’s 20-sided dice” (uproarious laughter).
‘At first, I wasn’t going to kill anyone...” but he explained that if no-one got hurt then the story wouldn’t ring true for the newcomers. He also noted “You have resitrictions about who you can kill and still call it a happy ending.” He apparently tried different scenarios and reminisced that in a draft for Alien IV, he had a death for one of the characters in every act and then living in the finale. “I can’t worry about what I need or worry about a sequel...” he had to make this film the best it could possibly be.
Wash’s death “gave Zoe what she hadn’t had for the rest of the movie...” ie. an emotional arc and more than her just being the strong, dependable... (can’t remember the adjectives...) She was given shock and disbelief before “sublimating it for later when she can take it out on some Reavers.” “Everyone who isn’t Ron and Alan wins.”
He (Joss) noted that Alan works the most and was the first to get work after the series ended. Joss at this point began to get nervous that the cast was moving on and that his movie wasn’t going to happen.
Asked about whether we would ever find out about Book’s past. “Once more I mention the sequel...”
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I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon and disagree. Character deaths make them more human to us. Watch the final Star Trek Voyager episode. That would have been much better if someone like Chakotay had died. Whatever Joss's reasons are, I have faith in him.
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Heh... don't agree with you, FireflyGal, but hey ho. I can't say it any better than the rest of the folks already did. For those of us who had seen the advanced screenings way back in May, this is an old and quite tiresome topic. But! To add a little levity to it, I figured I'd re-post this message from MILLER_UNC of the 'Versal Board:
Quote:Cheers.
Posted: 06 May 2005 11:00 am
Post subject: An open letter to William Shakespeare **SPOILERS**
Dear Will,
I am so mad right now. I just got back from the sneak preview of Hamlet, and I can't even think straight. How could you kill Hamlet at the end? I mean, he was like, my favorite character!
Anyway, I've been thinking about ways you can fix this before the premiere of the play. Hamlet doesn't get killed until the very end, his scenes can easily be rewritten so that he gets up after Horatio's speech, and reveals that he's immune to the poison that was used. This would only require a couple of additional lines to be rewritten, and then we'd have Hamlet around for sequels.
I realize that you may have thought that killing Hamlet was "edgy" or "shocking," and it was, but that doesn't make it right.
I am seriously considering staying at home when Hamlet premieres at the Globe, and reading my folio copy of The Taming of the Shrew instead.
Sincerely,
miller_unc
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Why? I think it's because he created one of the greatest moments in film history. I've never been so shocked and glued to my seat. The fear that Kaylee, Simon and Zoe were all going to die had me petrified. Joss created characters that were as important to us as some of our closest friends. I would much rather experience they shock and pain of those characters deaths than to see one of my friends die. It's exactly what movies are made for. To experience emotions without the real world consiquences.
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I haven't seen it yet, but i read the spoilers and i trust joss
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I'm holding to the notion that maybe, just maybe, all of this is to give us a great twist -- the final cut will have a healthy Wash and Book in the end.
As a precedent... remember when Empire Strikes Back was released, even the actors were surprised to learn Vader was Luke's father... Only a few select people know about this.
Point is, Joss could be having a great joke on us. Remember Mal's sense of humor towards Kaylee's death? Like that.
I hope I can simply say Joss, you're a bad man. :)
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