Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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"I will see it again and again despite what Whedon did; ripping my heart out by killing two of the wonderful characters I had come to love and laugh with."
That's just the reaction he wanted, no?
Personally, I'm not angry that he did it. I'm sad, and I miss Wash, but we all know that happy endings ever only happen in fairytales. It makes Serenity more real, that it doesn't end perfectly. It's just your stock standard sci-fi/horror where the heros save the day and the heroic pilot lives to crack a joke another day. At least this way he's done what people don't expect, he's dragged a powerful reaction out of people like yourself, and so on.
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One thing i haven't seen anyone speculate on:
If the movie had be made right away or the series continued, and Wash and Book still died, would it have been as controversial? Or has the reaction been so strong because the characters have lived in our imaginations for three years?
Joss tells his stories how he wants to, and he likes them dark... sometimes really dark. He doesn't write to placate fans, he serves the story in his own head. That's what makes him great and refreshing. He takes risks and it always pays off later. He doesn't write cookiecutter stories.
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Gotta agree with MikeyMo. If Wash hadn't died, the movie would have felt cheap. The way the movie was going, it simply couldn't have a happy ending. You can't write final act like that and expect everyone to get through it alive. In order to "save Wash", the entire movie would have to have been rewritten, and that, imo, would have been a tragedy.
Don't get all reavery on me for saying this, but I think Joss could have killed one or two more characters, and the movie would have been the better for it. It felt a little odd to me that Wash was the only one to die during the final battle.
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You really felt something when Wash died, right? Like a punch to the gut, right? It really hurt, deeply and truly, right? ...why are you questioning why Joss did it?
More specifically, we have people in a dangerous line of work, that's gotten substantially more dangerous since the show. Why kill someone off? Realism, emotion, intensity, and because people DO die. Even at the best of times, sometimes it just happens. When real death happens, you feel it. It hurts, deeply and truly. These characters, through Joss's amazing storytelling, became real people to us - he earned the right to use them to do mature, real people stories, not just wanking off the fans.
"Calling Joss out" are you? Come on. He told his story, the best and most intense and most realistic way he could. He owes us nothing more.
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Originally posted by Thrawn:
"Calling Joss out" are you? Come on. He told his story, the best and most intense and most realistic way he could. He owes us nothing more.
Hear Hear!!
I'm with Thrawn, GTMAN8503, Whisper, Phoebe and MikeyMo.
Joss owes us nothing, he may not always give us what we want, but that's his choice. It's his story and he tells it the way he wants to.
We owe him.
I didn't want either character to die, but that's what happened. It was gut wrenching and painful and horrid, but that's life.
I found the movie to be rewarding in its entirety, the humour, the beauty, the misery, the horror, the action, the *everything*.
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"... 'cause every now and then, I just wanna break someone's heart." - Joss Whedon
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Fact is--if the writing wasn't great, you wouldn't care that Wash and Book died.
Am I sad about it? Yep. Hell, I wrote a song about it.
But I like Whedon because he's an artist, not because he gives me predictable stories that make me feel good.
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Quote:Hear Hear!!
Originally posted by Jacqui:Quote:
Originally posted by Thrawn:
He told his story, the best and most intense and most realistic way he could. He owes us nothing more.
anyone who has experienced a loved one's death in RL
(as we know Joss has)
knows how intense and deep that loss is,
and personally I think Joss gave us a taste of that shock and pain,
and it adds depth and power to his film
personally I'll be thrilled to see my beloved characters again in flashbacks,
or in prequels
or in any other form Joss thinks up....
If you don't like Joss Whedon's story telling then you can always go for fan fic,
that is what that is for...right?
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I have to agree w/ the others FFG. Sure it hurt like hell to see Wash die. Ask my wife, she'll tell you. I just sat there, stunned, saying over & over again "I can't believe Wash is gone". It felt like I got punched in the stomach, like I had lost a friend. That is the reaction that Joss wanted us to feel.
Serenity is more realistic than most shows. That is one of the things that drew many of us to it in the first place. Heroes get shot, stabbed, and beat up. They are not invincible, and they don't always ride off into the sunset w/ the girl & the reward. Real life doesn't work like that, so why should Serenity?
In life or death situations, like most of Serenity, people get hurt, and people die. I was sad to see Book die, especially without knowning about his past, but Wash hit me really hard. Just like the crew, we the fans will grieve his loss and move on. The wheel never stops turning FFG, and it matters to more than just those out on the rim.
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