The culpability at the state and federal levels in the New Orleans assistance debacle (cont.)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 15:27
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Finn, there's so much I don't like Bush for, I admit that he is my easiest, first target. Much of what you said about local culpability is making sense now, and there are so many at fault here, it's dizzying.
Still, there are agendas at work...
Ah, but that's the official story, eh? Chrisisall
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Ok at the federal level was not having Bataan use it's marines to supplement the local searches as soon as it was safe to get in.
They did not use a photo recon sat. for detailed pictures of the post storm area.
The feds did not push toe gov. to declare martial Law and have the military go in and use troops to maintain order and shoot looters if need be.
The state fouled up by not making the mayor evacuate the people by force if need be. They did not seem to coordinate with either the feds or the locals.
The Locals sat on their hands and did not move out the medical cases which would really need moved. They allowed people to drag their ass on getting out of the area.
I live in the midwest we get floods and tornados and I see the local authorities days before the feds get in the area. I think the locals and state authorites are the main people to blame but the feds are not blameless here.
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The Mayor is responsible for calling for evacuation, but has little other singular authority. He has NO CONTROL over buses, they are controlled by the Regional Transit Authority. And the provision of shelter areas called for in the plan had not yet been accomplished by the OEP. The OEP, which had the tactical authority to carry out actual evacuations, had been contracted out and was MIA during the actual event.
Evacuations, even mass evacuations, were primarily planned as an exodus in private (small) personal vehicles over existing highways. Blanco did everything possible to expedite the plans.
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26 (link to New Orleans disaster plan)
Authority to issue evacuations of elements of the population is vested in the Mayor. By Executive Order, the chief elected official, the Mayor of the City of New Orleans, has the authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an approaching hurricane. check
The SOP provides for the evacuation of the public from danger areas and the designations of shelters for evacuees. check
Conduct of an actual evacuation will be the responsibility of the Mayor of New Orleans check in coordination with the Director of the Office of Emergency Preparedness, and the OEP Shelter Coordinator. blank
Slow developing weather conditions (primarily hurricane) will create increased readiness culminating in an evacuation order 24 hours (12 daylight hours) prior to predicted landfall. check
D. Regional Transit Authority
* Supply transportation as needed in accordance with the current Standard Operating Procedures. blank
A. Shelter Demand
Shelter demand is currently under review by the Shelter Coordinator. Approximately 100,000 Citizens of New Orleans do not have means of personal transportation. blank
PS: That Katrina would make landfall somewhere in the area was predicted days in advance. Bush declared LA to be a federal disaster area BEFORE Katrina made landfall. That made the Feds the lead agency with two days to pre-deploy. But they didn't show up until 3 days after. That is inexcusable.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Well I remember people being upset at the hospital ships not already being there and I remember a freind who did his two years active duty on a destroyer in the pacfic and he told of his ship being the typhon's target as the storm hit them from three different direction each time it caught up to them.
He told of the injuries that ranged from equpiment breaking loose and striking a sailor or the sailor hitting the equipment when the shi did a hard lurch from a wave, and from supplies breaking in their storage containers and making a surface too slick for person to keep their footing.
Now imagine this on a hospital ship and remember that the ships will loose any radar dishes as well as commincations attenneas. Which would limit the use if not require the ship to leave the area or worse yet go down in the rough seas.
So outside of Bataan which was in position to get in right behind the storm the navy was pretty much stuck in port till they had a actual destination to send the ships.
Now about sending troops in to the cities ahead of time how are they going to move those folks who refused and still refuse to now leave the city?
I think the burden is much closer to the people at the local and state level.They were on the scene and knew better than the feds what should be done ( There is this plan you talk about which did not seem to be implament for the holdouts)
While the feds might not give a shit the locals who should were the ones doing more shitting and doing it on their own peoples.
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And that's exactly why the Coast Guard had a fleet of 20 ships plus 10 commercial ones waiting IN THE GULF to assist NO after the hurricane. Because they could and they're brave and capable, and you're a chicken sh*t that can't do anything but think up excuses why it's OK to be a chicken-sh*t like your chicken-hawk chicken-sh*t buds.
Got it, dude?
Please don't think the chicken-sh*ts give a sh*t.
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Quote:Wow, this just screams paranoid delusion.
Originally posted by rue:
And that's exactly why the Coast Guard had a fleet of 20 ships plus 10 commercial ones waiting IN THE GULF to assist NO after the hurricane. Because they could and they're brave and capable, and you're a chicken sh*t that can't do anything but think up excuses why it's OK to be a chicken-sh*t like your chicken-hawk chicken-sh*t buds.
Got it, dude?
Please don't think the chicken-sh*ts give a sh*t.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
and you're a chicken sh*t that can't do anything but think up excuses why it's OK to be a chicken-sh*t like your chicken-hawk chicken-sh*t buds.
Got it, dude?
Please don't think the chicken-sh*ts give a sh*t.
Well Rude I enjoyed hearing your loud whine about how the feds are suppose to be there care less than the locals who could not follow a plan they put toghere.
I guess the mayor is proof that stupid people do get into power. And here I thought Spin City was a comedy.
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Interesting blog here, from some New Orleans residents.
http://vatul.net/blog/index.php
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Did you actually look at the plan? I did. Hero posted a link, and I checked it point-by-point and you know what? The Mayor followed the plan. The PLAN ITSELF... That FEMA drafted... was deficient in several key aspects. As far as stupid politicans are concerned... well, I think we have a MUCH clearer example in office right this very instant.
I enjoyed hearing your loud whine about how the feds are suppose to be there care less than the locals who could not follow a plan they put toghere. I guess the mayor is proof that stupid people do get into power.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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I do not think they give any more of a shit than the locals do. I keep hearing how Bush did not go back in time and set right like out of quantum leap.
FEMA's plan did not take into account that a Level 5 storm because those happen maybe twice in a decade and seperate parts of the world. I guess toget folks off their back that FEMA needs to plan for the return of Godzillia and the invasion of the pod people and the meteor storm of ten mile wide rocks falling on earth.
Bluntly I have said where mistakes were made but it seems a desire to point fingers at Bush because pointing at anyone else means that it is not totally his fault.
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