The culpability at the state and federal levels in the New Orleans assistance debacle (cont.)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 15:27
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
Perfesser,
With all due respect, I think you do not understand the rage of those such as I who have watched this administration bungle everything it's touched since day one (and I am not a Democrat nor even slightly left-oriented). But this just takes the cake when posters here who have access to the Internet cannot see where the fault lies. Even MSM newscasters see it and rightly blame the administration. If you saw Keith Olbermenn's muted but extremely potent commentary last night you would begin to understand my complete lack of patience with assholes, and my willingness to tell them to go to hell because their blindness and incapability of intelligent thought, coupled with blind faith in a failed leader, does absolutely no good for anyone on this forum nor for the dying poor in New Orleans.
What's worse, I was not the least surprised by Bush's inaction. I expected it.
And many more than Bush are to blame: Chertoff. Cheney (where the HELL is he?). Local N.O. government, etc. We cannot give them (nor their toadies) any kind of a pass nor any break or it will just happen again.
Thank you for your time. Now, go teach.
Ruxton,
Actually, I not only understand the rage, I share it. I'm not a Democrat or a leftist either, but I don't give this administration a pass on pretty much anything they've done since taking office. I think that future historians will look back on these 8 years as being the most harmful to US public and private life since the Great Depression. But that's not the point. You appear to think that, in defending the right of others to speak, that I am agreeing with or at least condoning their positions. That is simply not the case. I've engaged in long, usually fruitless debates on these boards with some of them. People in our society have the right to express opinions based on grievously flawed logic and presentation of evidence. It's the duty of those who disagree to point out those flaws (for all the good it may do), but not to shut off debate. I argue against the latter, not the former.
Let the debate continue.....
perfessergee
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Quote:So Geezer- what makes you think that people who point fingers don't ALSO get involved to solve the problem? Moveon.org made 42,000 beds available thru its website http://rawstory.com/news/2005/MoveOn_makes_available_34000_beds_for_Ka
Why are you wasting time on this secondary stuff when there are fingers to be pointed and blame to be apportioned? No wonder the Leftistas here hold you in such disregard
trina_sur_0902.html and Air America radio makes voicemail contact availble. I personally laid a significant chunk of change on the Red Cross, and tomorrow I will be donating blood.
You seem to think that people who agitate for improvement are so very, very limited. Well- I can take care of my family, run a demo for the DOD, give blood and money and STILL have enough piss & vinegar (and outrage... and mental capacity
) to see that things ain't right. And one of the things I NEVER kid myself about is the notion that all those politicians in DC lay awake nights thinking about how to protect us. HA!! So... Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Ruxton, if thse numbers are accurate, it is very telling, indeed.
Originally posted by Ruxton:
The head of Salvation Army gets $13,000 a year (from memory of two days ago), but head of Red Cross gets close to half a million a year.
Too many dollars don't make sense Chrisisall
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So what is the single biggest factor in all the lives lost? Is it the clueless human bantha foddor that Dubya chose as head of FEMA, after he f***ed it up by folding it into another agency?
That would seem to me to be the weakest link here (if you don't count general Federal inaction and seeming contempt for life).
Chrisisall
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Just thought you'd be interested in news from the (medical) trenches:
http://medscapenursing.blogs.com/medscape_nursing/hurricane_katrina_nu
rses_and_nps_help/index.html BTW, the Salvation Army in LA is the biggest slumlord around. I kind of soured on the Salvation Army after I heard that.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Thanks, SignyM, for keeping it real for us. Almost had to keep from crying while I was reading...
Originally posted by SignyM:
Just thought you'd be interested in news from the (medical) trenches:
http://medscapenursing.blogs.com/medscape_nursing/hurricane_katrina_nu
rses_and_nps_help/index.html BTW, the Salvation Army in LA is the biggest slumlord around. I kind of soured on the Salvation Army after I heard that.
Chrisisall
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" US President George W Bush says he will lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4220246.stm
poor Al ( goatboy )Gore.........
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
So what is the single biggest factor in all the lives lost? Is it the clueless human bantha foddor that Dubya chose as head of FEMA, after he f***ed it up by folding it into another agency?
That would seem to me to be the weakest link here (if you don't count general Federal inaction and seeming contempt for life).
Chrisisall
I disagree. I think its a three-way tie between the Mayor, who had to have a personal phone call from President Bush on Sunday BEFORE he would order an evacuation, the Governor who didn't authorize the LA National Guard to commandeer vehicles (buses and such) for evacuation until Wednesday afternoon, and the crimnals who disrupted early efforts to send aid into the city.
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Quote:I'm Bush before landfall:
Originally posted by Hero:
I think its a three-way tie between the Mayor, who had to have a personal phone call from President Bush on Sunday BEFORE he would order an evacuation,
"What do you mean the city's not evacuated?? I don't give a
who's in charge down there, declare martial law, send in the Guard and troops to back 'em up, get whatever vehicles you need, and get those people the out of that city, NOW" *slams phone down*I like my version of Bush better than his.
Chrisisall
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
I disagree. I think its a three-way tie between the Mayor, who had to have a personal phone call from President Bush on Sunday BEFORE he would order an evacuation, the Governor who didn't authorize the LA National Guard to commandeer vehicles (buses and such) for evacuation until Wednesday afternoon, and the crimnals who disrupted early efforts to send aid into the city.
In your little universe, Bush and the federal government get a free pass on everything, don't they? Just like I said, he could gun down a busload of nuns on Constitution Ave at high noon on a Sunday and you'd find a way to spin it.
Here's a scorcher of a link for all you folks that think this was all Nagin/Blanco's fault. This is a link to DailyKos' posting of what makes up the Federal Government's disaster relief plan. I urge those of you who have an interest to check it out. Some of you, like Hero, can just plug your ears and go nyah nyah nyah till you scroll past it (use your toes for the scrolling button, I guess).
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/225729/7487
I'm not sure where the Nagin bashing comes in, though. He managed to get 90% of the people out of the city. Most of the people that couldnt leave were sick or poor and had no access to transportation. but before the pic of the buses comes in, let me say this- Let's assume that people could have taken the buses. But where were people with no money or who needed medical care supposed to GO?! Pin-the-blame on Nagin only works so far; same with Blanco. They are only set up to handle so much, that's what the federal government is for in an emergency. And the feds fell through.
-First when Bushco subsumed FEMA into the DHLS
-Second when he selected a crony with ZERO experience to run it
-Third when (after you look at the above link) he and his fellow minions of Satan failed to perform their duties based on their own job requirements
Blanco and Nagin are guilty of screwing up, and in a situation like this, any screwup is catastrophic. But Bushco is guilty of downright, firsthand NEGLIGENCE, which is worse. Plain and simple.
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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.
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