Okay, what's REALLY going on in this 'assistance' to the disaster...?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 15, 2025 06:51
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please tell me I'm being an alarmist w/out cause, 'cause I can see the police state of Escape From New York coming on.
Chris. Please remember that the aluminium foil hat just goes on your head, not over your nose and mouth. Looks like we got a case of hypoxia here.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The original statement on the Red Cross FAQs only refered to Homeland Security w/o specifying either state or Federal. I have since seen this MISquoted with the word "state" inserted after the fact. Supposedly, "state" involvement was confirmed by Carol Miller on the Diane Rehm radio show. However, no transcript is available and since one Red Cross statement has already been "modified" post-fact, I'm not ready to believe the Fox News version until I see an actual transcript.
We already know that the Federal Government was NOT involved at that point and were making no decisions at the local level. This was all the State's doing in their misguided effort to get people to leave by not sending aid.
Its still going on, remember the States plan from just a couple days back to inform people that they would not be getting any food, water, or medicine if they stayed in New Orleans. Clearly this is not just a single bad decision but part of some tragic and short sighted thought process (at least I think so) by someone at the State level.
But like you said, there is confusion on the issues. I think the hearing should be useful to bring out more facts.
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Hero,
Thanks for finding that. I appreciate you and your efforts.
see also:
Original Article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46224
Source: http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html
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SignyM,
Could you explain the reason(s) for putting the word Friend in quotes in your post? Is this an attempt to imply that I wrote that myself and made it all up? or an attempt to imply that they aren't really my friend? I'm confused.
I removed the original post because it was late last night and I failed to do something very important, Get permission to post it. Sorry if it smells like something else to any of you.
I wish you all the best. Remember, everything that you believe is 100% true. Anything that tells you differently is 100% false and an attempt to screw you over personally. 
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No, I didn't think you wrote it yourself. I figured it was a blog written by someone that you "knew of" or perhaps met once or twice (acquaintance). I was asking you to get back in touch with this person and ask SPECIFIC questions, but I thought perhaps you were not at that level of relationship.
I see that Jadehand did find the original Red Cross FAQ... something that I had been looking for again. It DOES say "state"... so in the Red Cross case the state is really to blame and I'm horified. Shame on them!
Please don't think they give a shit.
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I scanned thru the NOLA emergency preparedness plan. They had a list if shelters (schools, mostly) that may not have been used. It would be interesting to see if those designated shelters were subsequently flooded to the rooftops... if so, then the choice NOT to direct people to those shelters was a good one even if it was not according to plan.
I couldn't find many of the appendixes that they referred to, such as the one referring to the Refuges of Last Resort (RoLR) which Nagin declared as the Superdome. Not knowing how a RoLR was to be designated I don't know whether this choice was part of the plan or not, only that such a category did apparently exist. Seems like it may have been part of the plan.
I looked specifically at the Special Needs Shelters (SNS)... and oddly the Superdome was the only place mentioned by name so apparently they didn't have specific SNS in place except, maybe, the Superdome. Since the plan ddin't have any specifics (unlike the shelters, no SNS were mentioned by name) it seems as if the plan was a little bit sketchy in that area... perhaps the city was supposed to flesh it out over time. Can't tell if that was a deficiency in the Plan or in the implementation. Prolly both.
What I saw consistently was that the plan ASSUMES that people- special needs or not- would have the capacity to either evacuate on their own or to at least make it to a shelter. There didn't seem to be any specific plans to provide transportation... that was to be a personal responsibility. Given that the bus drivers had been dismissed the day before, I didn't see any way that Nagin- much as he might have wanted to- could actually evacuate people from anywhere to anywhere. So altho it WAS according to plan, the plan itself was not well thought-out.
The other thing they mention over and over is that people were to bring five changes of clothes and their medicine. Definitely not according to plan.... but not the city's fault.
I looked fairly closely at the required evacuation timing and the levels of warning, and as far as I can tell Nagin followed the plan closely, and the traffic issues were smoothed out according to plan.
So in terms of the checklist of things not being done according to the plan, I find one deficiency in the implementation: the Special Needs Shelters were apparently never set up. I find two real deficiencies in the plan itself - transportation was not provided to evacuate people, and out-of-city shelters were not created. (Prolly this was out of Nagin's jurisdiction.)
So in terms of going down the checklist to see what they didn't do, it appears Nagin did almost everything he was supposed to do. Any comments?
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:You need someone to tell you that? You’ve watched one too many X-files, my friend. And I fear the path you walk down may be paved with tin-foil hats and possibly some kind of probe.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Please tell me I'm being an alarmist w/out cause, 'cause I can see the police state of Escape From New York coming on.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Quote:Funny, I never watched X- Files at all, and the tin-foil reference is from a movie I guess I haven't seen, but I take it's meaning.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You need someone to tell you that? You’ve watched one too many X-files, my friend. And I fear the path you walk down may be paved with tin-foil hats and possibly some kind of probe.
Anyway, people like you need people like me; we tell y'all what's possible, then you tell us what's probable, and we can work out the truth that lies (usually) somewhere in between those two points.
But when things the government does makes no sense, I usually revert to Plissken mode, at least for a time.
Call me Snake Chrisisall
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Quote:You never watched the X-Files? I’m not even sure how to respond to that. The X-Files is a television classic. Granted it got kind of stupid in its last episodes, mostly because the principle actor sort of lost heart in the show. The first four or five seasons were golden. I didn’t watch the first season when it was on, because I thought the whole premise sounded stupid, but they really did manage to pull off the whole ‘shadow-government-alien-invasion’ thing quite well.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Funny, I never watched X- Files at all, and the tin-foil reference is from a movie I guess I haven't seen, but I take it's meaning.
And I don’t know where the tin-foil hat reference comes from either. It’s just something I used to say to my brother who was quite the conspiracy theorist.
Quote:Works for me.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Anyway, people like you need people like me; we tell y'all what's possible, then you tell us what's probable, and we can work out the truth that lies (usually) somewhere in between those two points.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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" So it's a local matter?...Well sure, if they're as stupid as we think.....in the meeting we had I was told that it didn't matter, in fact we could make a catastrophe work for us....yeah *laughs*, What war, I get it....NO, I was told loss of life would be no different, no matter what we do. I was told that. So it isn't a question of letting anyone die, it's just how do we play it if it hits hard and those a**holes DO f***up like we think they will....yeah, so if it goes well, we send everything in FAST, if it doesn't, well, we'll let them swim in it a bit, so to speak...wait 'til they ask us nicely *laughs*...F**k 'em, they'll say bad things about us in any case!....that's right, win/win.....yep. The approval ratings. Toss one back for me, y'hear?....Adios"
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