Okay, what's REALLY going on in this 'assistance' to the disaster...?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 15, 2025 06:51
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Remember when we had to go in and get Noriega? He was a very BAD man, and our enemy? We sent in the Stealth Fighter, and killed hundreds of shanty town poor people around his digs. We wanted the fighter to be tested in action, well, we did it.
What if this whole disaster fiasco is a test of how much control can be forced upon us?
Is it too much to believe?
Turning away help, coming down on pilots and crew of ships that pick up survivors because that wasn't their orders? Turning away firefighters from other states, because this is a FEMA operation?
When is the 'United States Police Force' gonna be formed, tomorrow? Military control of the whole shebang, that's what I see.
No pictures of the dead, please (or you'll be shot).
Only 'uplifting' stories of survival in People, please (or you'll be shut down).
This whole thing is so many ways of convoluted, it has to be a sick plan of action of some kind...
Please tell me I'm being an alarmist w/out cause, 'cause I can see the police state of Escape From New York coming on.
Forgive me if I'm way out there right now, I am a
regestered Conspiracy Theorist, you know...
People are still dying, and like Signy says, please don't think they give a shit Chrisisall
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Howard Dean said Americans have to face the "ugly truth" that race and class played a significant role in who lived and who died when Katrina swept across the Gulf Coast. Dean, in remarks interrupted several times by applause, charged that Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration have not done enough to combat poverty. Senate Republicans who returned to the Capitol this week, Dean charged, were more interested in repealing the inheritance tax for the wealthiest Americans than hurricane relief. The estimated $750 billion cost of the tax cut, he said, would be better spent rebuilding the battered Gulf Coast.
Dean said the US has a moral responsibility to not ignore the devastating damage caused by Hurricane Katrina when it struck the Gulf Coast. Several black leaders and groups have expressed outrage over rescue efforts. Among them was the Rev. Al Sharpton, who said last weekend that race played a role, and called Bush's response to the crisis "inexcusable." Dean also said that "lots of people perished" because the Bush administration lacked "vision" in handling the disaster. He also said the funds that now support the Iraq war could be used to rebuild New Orleans or to aid the poor and elderly.
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Originally posted by Jadehand:
For instance, what if Bush and a whole lot of people that
were there to help NO and Loui, get offended by this negative blameshifting
BS? What if they become less inclined to help next time since getting
burned?
If the problem is the corruption and obstructionism of the locals, that in no way justifies or explains Bush playing guitar and Condi Rice buying shoes and the Invisible Man doing his inviso thing while New Orleans was being wiped off the face of the Earth. If these local authorities are so mephistophelian then a decent man in the White House would have given them hell everyday until they got their acts together.
Why the hell are the press being turned away and not allowed to take pictures of the dead? Why is the death toll being obfuscated? Evil Local officials again?
And I gotta say, this section of your friend's post that I've quoted is pretty morally effed up as well. He's talking about the President leaving people to die next time because he "got burned" by some small time politicos this week. WTF?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:That part made me doubt the entire content of the message...
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
He's talking about the President leaving people to die next time because he "got burned" by some small time politicos this week. WTF?
Chrisisall
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Some notes - that "refusal" was a refusal to sign away the rights of the state under the insurrection act, therefore allowing the feddies to treat those poor victims as traitors and rebels.
Don't believe me tho, look it up.
They wanted to strongarm the state gov into signing away the rights of the state "temporarily"
uh-huh, temporary like the telephone line tax or the patriot act... she told em to go to hell and that they could assist without 'taking over' the state, but they did not want to play it that way.
Then they run to the press "oh but they refused assistance".. please.
Get the whole story, and believe no one, check for yourself before you put stock in anything.
(even the above, do yer homework.)
Word's come out too, that the bastards are confiscating legal firearms that folks were defending their property with too, probably going right down the registration list, cause they're takin em ALL.
Gee, firearm registration makes so much sense NOW, doesn't it ?
It's a horrible mess, but in effect, I blame us all - we knew what the problem was, and for nearly eight years (or eighty, or more... it's 1798 all over again, damn the Federalists!) we simply didn't do enough about it cause it would inconvenience us.
And now the bill comes due - it's everyones fault, is what it is, and leads to the question of what one will do about it now.
-F
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Jadehand- Your "friend" got it wrong. Blanco declared a state of emergency on the 27th, and Bush signed FEDERAL State of Emergency on the 27th retroactive to the 26th. A Federal State of Emergency requires that the Federal government bear 75% of the cost. The other part is that FEMa then becomes responsible for coordinating all (NOTE: ALL) operations. So the local governments were being reimbursed from before landfall and FEMA was supposedly already in the driver's seat. As far as refuding aid, the only thing that Blanco refused to do was to turn over authority of the Louisiana National Guard... basically, she asked for a 24-hour delay on that. And in terms of evacuation- Nagin ordered a voluntary evacuation on the 27th. According to a transcript of his evacuation announcement, he was having his legal staff look into the liabilities of a mandatory evacuation because of the hotels and businesses in his city. I think he was a little too busines-friendly. And the buses??? People forget that buses don't go anywhere without drivers. They had to depend on volunteer drivers.
Ask this good "friend" of yours to do a couple of things for us to add to the pile of knowledge, not the pile of bullshit:
Please find for us a link to the LA emergency plans, or... better yet, if it's not available on the internet, put it up for us.
Please cite SPECIFICALLY where Blano refused aid from either FEMA or nearby states. Find a memo or transcript.
There is so much bullshit being flung that we need reliable, original documentation, not someone's fourth-hand interpretation of events.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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A couple of days ago, I mentioned the possibility of total information control from the NOLA area. It appears that reporters are not being allowed in (I linked this in my other post to the blogger who was stopped at checkpoint and swa TV trucks being turned away) and FEMA is telling the press not to photograph bodies "Out of respect for the dead" (I linked this in my other post to mainstream media sources quoting FEMA). Yuh. There is no running death count. The only thing we hear about is the happy news of rescues and about the "holdouts"... as if they were the largest part of the problem!
Here's an interesting link.
www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2005/09/sec-050903-dod02.
htm
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Please find for us a link to the LA emergency plans, or... better yet, if it's not available on the internet, put it up for us.
< http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26>
This is a really good site. You can go point by point down the plan checking off items in the plan that the Mayor failed to implement. So good news, they had a plan, bad news, they didn't use it.
Explore a little, the Emergency plan for diasbled persons is chilling considering it was never implemented and those people probably died by the thousands.
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Please cite SPECIFICALLY where Blano refused aid from either FEMA or nearby states. Find a memo or transcript.
Pulled this from a Broadcast news transcript from last night, question was why didn't FEMA send in the Red Cross:
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GARRETT: First of all, no jurisdiction. FEMA works with the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and other organizations, but it has no direct control to order them to go one place or the other.
Secondarily, the Red Cross was ready. I just got off the phone with one of their officials. They had a vanguard, Brit, of trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go, where? To the Superdome and the convention center.
Why weren’t they there? The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security told them they could not go.
HUME: Now, this is the Louisiana — this isn’t the Louisiana branch of the federal Homeland Security? This is...
GARRETT: The state’s own agency devoted to the state’s homeland security. They told them, "You cannot go there."
Why? The Red Cross tells me that state agency in Louisiana said, "Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more to come to the Superdome or the convention center. We want to get them out."
So at the same time local officials were screaming, "Where is the food? Where is the water?" The Red Cross was standing by ready. The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said, "You can’t go."
HUME: All right. FEMA does presumably, at some point, have some jurisdiction over some military forces. Of course, the first-responders there are the National Guard (search). Why didn’t FEMA send the National Guard in? You heard that cry from many people.
GARRETT: FEMA does not have jurisdictional control over any state’s National Guard. Only the governor does.
The governor, in this case, Kathleen Blanco (search), a Democrat, did use the Louisiana National Guard for some purposes, did not deploy them in massive numbers initially. And they were not used to move any of these relief organizations in. And they could have been, for the very same reason I talked about earlier. The state decided they didn’t want the relief organizations where the people needed it most, because they wanted those people to get out.
I suspect that since this story was just broke yesterday, we will hear more details of LA's refusal to allow aid to the Superdome as time goes on. I suspect the whole story wont come out till they do the hearings.
H
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First of all, no jurisdiction. FEMA works with the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and other organizations, but it has no direct control to order them to go one place or the other.
Secondarily, the Red Cross was ready. I just got off the phone with one of their officials. They had a vanguard, Brit, of trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go, where? To the Superdome and the convention center.
Why weren’t they there? The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security told them they could not go.
The original statement on the Red Cross FAQs only refered to Homeland Security w/o specifying either state or Federal. I have since seen this MISquoted with the word "state" inserted after the fact. Supposedly, "state" involvement was confirmed by Carol Miller on the Diane Rehm radio show. However, no transcript is available and since one Red Cross statement has already been "modified" post-fact, I'm not ready to believe the Fox News version until I see an actual transcript.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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