The culpability at the state and federal levels in the New Orleans assistance debacle (cont.)
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 15:27
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Hero- Feel like contributing to the timeline? Do you know something that we don't? As a lawyer, perhaps you can clarify who was supposed to be in charge of what. So feel free to add some facts to our collective understanding. Or feel free NOT to add to our collective understanding.
Also- from the SAME POLL
Forty-two percent of Americans say United States President George W Bush has handled Hurricane Katrina badly while 35% say he has performed well, according to Gallup poll published on Wednesday. Twenty-five percent of the 609 adults surveyed on September 5-6 blamed state or local officials for the problems, 18% blamed federal agencies and 13% blamed Bush directly. (In other words, 31% placed the blame at the Federal level) In the poll, 24% rated Bush's response to the catastrophe as "terrible," 18% as "bad," (for a total of 42% negative) 25% as "good" and 10% as "great" (total of 35% positive). Bush's ratings for his response reflected party affiliations, with 69% of republicans giving him positive ratings, 66% of democrats, negative ratings and independents leaning 47-29% to the negative side.
The poll also found that 93% of Americans believed Katrina was the worst natural disaster to strike the US in their lifetimes. Fifty-six percent in the poll, which had a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points, believed New Orleans had been devastated beyond repair, but 63% believed the city should be rebuilt
wwww.news24.com/News24/World/Hurricane_Katrina/0,,2-10-1942_1766635,00
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Hero- I've learned to disbelieve everything you say, and with good reason. When the facts don't go your way, abandon them for opinion polls and then spin the results.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Yeah, I thought this would happen. I posted about this a couple of days ago. D*mn, it sucks being right all the time. But I just go on the assumption that "they don't give a shit" and it never steers me wrong. So...
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The U.S. government agency leading the rescue efforts after Hurricane Katrina said on Tuesday it does not want the news media to take photographs of the dead as they are recovered from the flooded New Orleans area.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Saturday August 27 4 PM
State activates contraflow traffic and suspends toll collection.
www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/112521300724932
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Saturday August 28 5 PM
Nagin calls for voluntary evacuation. "Nagin said late Saturday that he's having his legal staff look into whether he can order a mandatory evacuation of the city, a step he's been hesitant to do because of potential liability on the part of the city for closing hotels and other businesses." http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/11252130
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Saturday August 27/ Sunday August 28
Amtrak cancels rail service to and from New Orleans.
www.railserve.com/railnews/amtrak_news.html
Sunday August 28
All airlines cancel flights by mid-day
August 29 approx 5 hours after landfall
Michael Brown requests approx 1000 DHLS staff to be sent to NOLA in about 48 hours. "Brown (also) wrote Chertoff, Brown also urged local fire and rescue departments outside Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi not to send trucks or emergency workers into disaster areas without an explicit request for help from state or local governments."
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/K/KATRINA_DISASTER_RESPONSE?S
ITE=LAORS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-09-07-11-48-26
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - The U.S. government agency leading the rescue efforts after Hurricane Katrina said on Tuesday it does not want the news media to take photographs of the dead as they are recovered from the flooded New Orleans area.
This is disgusting. Singy, thank you for your excellent work here, but your posts severely challenge my policy of refraining from constant scatology and expletive. (Edited to add:
Signy, I was only trying to express my frustration with our government in a humorous way. I know exactly why you're posting this stuff. Don't go changin'!)There are no troops to support, no terrorists to defy, no excuses whatever to forbid the press to report the news here. Our government is seriously subverting the Constitution of the United States for no higher purpose than to hide its incompetence from the public.
I am so tired of being outraged this week. What has happened to my country?
HKCavalier
Freedom of speech is so embarrassing, better nip that in the bud.
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Sorry HK. I'm trying to persuade certain people who refuse to care but I think all I'm doing in hurting those who already do. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Your timeline needs alot of work. Here:
< http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-time
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He compiled his from the NO Times-Pic websight.
H
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Perfesser,
Thanks for your insight. I guess it IS valuable to see, on open display, the total lack of the ability reason so many seem to have, and for reasoned men and women to be able to cut the "logic" of the former to rags.
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Also, ChrisIsAll said:
""What do you mean the city's not evacuated?? I don't give a who's in charge down there, declare martial law, send in the Guard and troops to back 'em up, get whatever vehicles you need, and get those people the out of that city, NOW" *slams phone down*
"I like my version of Bush better than his."
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AMEN! That's precisely what I've been trying to say since a week ago Monday. It was BUSH's job to get briefings about impending danger to the country and TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION. To my mind, he's the failure-in-chief most responsible for this disaster. He failed to take the appropriate Presidential action, and not only didn't understand his failure for many days after, i.e., playing golf, he STILL doesn't understand it.
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Stuff is being offered but not accepted by the near-worthless U.S. government.
The President ought to have had a staff of experts coordinating this, right in the Oval Office, since at least Day 1:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/06/AR2005
090601994.html
Many needed people and services are standing by waiting for some stupid government asshole to give the go-ahead. The President ought to be working this, along with an appropriate staff, but NO, it's time for another photo op, and another round of golf.
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There is another complicating factor- generally, the National Guard is under the governor's control except in times of war. During wartime, the President gains complete control over the national Guard. So "normally" the President lets governors request help from National Guard in other states although in emergnecies he has the authority to activate the National Guard on his own. Blanco, as far as I can tell, DID request National Guard from other states but that her requests sat on someone's desk in DC from the 26th until the 2nd.
But since we are at war (in Iraq) I think it was the President's duty to activate the National Guard in ALL states, as it was Blanco's duty to turn "hers" over to the Feds. Given everything, this seems more of a screwup at the Federal level. The sense that I'm getting is that the Federal government took on the authority for responding... to the point of sabotaging Jefferson Parish's emergency communication system, for example- but then did nothing for five days
Actually, I'm pretty sure that we AREN'T at war. As I understand it, only the U.S. Congress can declare war, and the last time it happened was WWII. Korea was a "police action", Viet Nam was lending help to indigenous folk resisting communism, and heaven only knows what to call Irag/Afghanistan/the police action on terror.
If, indeed, the governor has the authority to request National Guard troops from other states, there may be a federal authority to coordinate. Anyone know the procedure?
Sorry if this is a tangent, but the "War on Terror" thing has been sticking in my craw since it started. Only Congress can declare "WAR" and the last one to ask them to do it was Roosevelt.
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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Just so everyone knows where the lies are coming from...
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The Post, citing an anonymous “senior Bush official”, reported on Sunday that, as of Saturday, Sept. 3, Blanco “still had not declared a state of emergency”… when, in fact, the declaration had been made on Friday, August 26 -- over 2 days BEFORE Katrina made landfall in Louisiana. This claim was so demonstrably false that the paper was forced to issue a correction just hours after the original story appeared....
Newsweek’s effort to assist the Bush damage control effort was even more egregious. While claiming that “Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Barbineaux Blanco seemed uncertain and sluggish, hesitant to declare martial law or a state of emergency, which would have opened the door to more Pentagon help” the magazine didn’t even bother to cite {the} “senior Bush official” {who provided thsi assessment}, choosing instead to report Blanco’s alleged failings as fact.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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