The violence and looting of New Orleans: what does that tell...
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 01:27
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Hello people, I know I haven't posted on this yet and so maybe I'm not entitled, but some of this thread has appalled me.
And surprisingly it wasn't just the disaster that has appalled me.
I myself am British and don't really like Bush, BUT that doesn't mean that I have the right to go around and insult everyone who does. No matter how the Democrat supporters try and put it Bush has the support of about 50% of Americans and they can't all be gullible and stupid!
I agree that responsibility issues need to be asked, but they need to be asked in a much calmer way, otherwise they will not be listened to.
I just hope that this doesn't mark the start of a different trend on these boards because I think the stark differences of opinion is what makes these boards so good.
Pog
We may experience some slight turbulence and then explode...
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Just because you cannot understand that there are people in this world who need to be killed. They will not live within the social contract that the rest of us expect others as well ourselves to live within.
If the life of a killer is somehow sacred and it is not to be taken by the state. What of his victim(s)? What will you do when the killer escapes prison and kills while he outside the walls? Were those victims not worth protecting?
But today to but a man to death he must be convicted of 1st degree murder. He must have deliberatly carried out the act. Otherwise they would be charged with a lesser degree of murder or manslaughter. Then they must sentenced after a second trial to death.
Look at Scott Peterson. He killed his wife and unborn child. He deliberatly tried to make the act look like someone else had done it.
Timothy McVeigh deliberately blew up a building killing a number of people including children.
Sometimes the crime is too monsterous to allow for the chance that such a person can escape. Or that the only reasonable thing to do is put that killer to death.
TANSTAAFL
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Right so killing people is reasonable, as long as its state sponsored is it?
Please don't confuse not understanding with not believing, I understand that YOU amongst others believe its okay to kill people if their subhuman nasty men, if I disagree that doesn't mean I don't understand some obvious truth, btw.
But then I keep forgetting two wrongs do make a right, don't they.
And if the death penalty is such a great deterrent, such a fantastic way of dealing with violent criminals, how come Texas has more murders per head of population than the rest of America? How come America itself has more murders per head than Britain that has no death penalty?
And since you want to post extreme cases as justification hows this:
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Senator Leahy:
Our nation this week reached an infamous milestone: 100 known – and goodness only knows how many unknown – cases of people being sentenced to death, since the reinstatement of capital punishment, for crimes they did not commit.
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MSNBC:
ST. LOUIS - Citing grave concerns that Missouri executed an innocent man, a coalition that includes a congressman, high-profile lawyers and even the victim’s family pointed to evidence Tuesday that they said could clear Larry Griffin’s name.
Prosecutors have decided to reopen the case of Griffin, who was convicted in 1981 in the murder of Quintin Moss, a 19-year-old drug dealer who was shot to death. Griffin maintained his innocence to the end, but was put to death in 1995.
Now, many people, including some members of Moss’ family, believe him.
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This is way off topic however, and I don't think we should drag this thread off topic. If you wish to discuss this further it may be better if we start another thread.
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Chris, hey, you should do a quick check of a person's posting record before you go off on 'em. InevitableB, is a post-bush supporter. He faught in Bush's war and came home very disillusioned. His story is pretty gritty and heartbreaking. I think coming to the board is painful to him on a personal level. Chris, check before you judge, amigo.
IB, I'm always glad to hear from you, no matter what the reason.
Thanks for that.
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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.
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Chrisisall has been replaced by an angry pod person, it's been said.
I appologize to everyone, especially InevitableB, for my mean-ness.
Thousands dead in 911, more in the Iraq war, and probably as many in this latest disaster. My head is spinning as to how any administration can evade scrutiny and responsibility when people die in these numbers, and I'm afraid, growing up with the Vietnam war on tv every day of my young life, that in my mind America is coming to mean the land of the expendable human being.
Okay, I'm depressed, too. But that's not an excuse.
Thanks, HK and IB for the virtual 'slap', I needed that.
Bush is still on my hollow of spirit list, but I don't need to drag myself down to that level.
I'll post again when I have something more constructive to say, or maybe with the funny, but I've ranted and spewed enough.
Again, sorry for the mean.
Not as humble as he should be Chrisisall
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There are currently two other first-world areas dealing with relatively high water levels compared to ground - Venice, Italy and The Netherlands (The 'Low'lands). (There are other areas already dealing with rising oceans like Bangladesh and the island of Tuvalu, but they aren't relevant examples for the US.)
Before people decide to give up on NO or rebuild, it might be instructive to look at how The Netherlands and Venice deal with their situation, critical factors to consider, and the decisions they are making.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Chrisisall,
You are filled with admirable rage; as ALL normal people should be who can see beyond skin color, status, age and self-justifying ideologies. For you, no man is an island.
No one, NO ONE, should have been left to die.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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And after all the justice system is so infallible no innocent will be put to death while the guilty go free.
After all, no one can change
True people change. I am sure the man who rapes then kills a child feels very sorry and repentent when caught.Want to put a young family memeber where this sort can get at him? I know I do not.
Yes a man changes and not always for the better.
TANSTAAFL
Oh I really am sick and tired of hearing that BS argument. Well not wanting to execute people like some medieval despot means I must want my familly raped and murdered yeah yeah yeah cause that logically follows.
And the fact that some people change for the worse means you should execute everyone does it?
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
Let me throw this in :
I for one am in favour of capital punishment :
but I know I don't think that the Canadian legal system is up to the standards I would require for such policy.........
and I know I don't think the American system is
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I'm angry too. They should have had pallets of MREs and medical equipment and water-purifying equipment (not bottled water that costs a fortune but water purifying equipment that the military USED to use before KB&R got in the act) ready to go, staged in Texas.
The problem with setting up centralized water purification stations is getting the water out to the people who need it. There aren't enough to put one within easy walking distance of everyone. You'd have to put it in bottles anyway for it to be useful. Much easier to deliver pre-bottled water until the infrastructure gets back in place.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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