Problems with 3rd Caleb Episode

POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2003 18:24
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SUCCATASH

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 5:56 AM

Is it like Dungeons and Dragons?

TERAPH

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:11 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
Is it like Dungeons and Dragons?

:) I'd say Vampire: The Masquerade or Buffy, the Roleplaying game ( http://www.btvsrpg.com), but D&D is also good.

Actually, I could also say it's kinda like my friend Steve. He's a very big, strong guy, and he has incredibly fast reflexes, but if I stayed out of reach I would have a pretty good chance of dodging or out-running him. But, if I got within reach, he could wipe the floor with me (well, okay, most people could :).

TERAPH

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by Succatash:
I thought the Buffy/Spike scenes were okay, and I bought into the Faith/Principal sex thing too, but then Willow got her lovin' and even one-eyed Xander got action, and GOD DAM, the whole house! The love scenes went on and on and on, it was way too long.

Kennedy & Willow: Great scene; made the Faith and Wood scene seem tame. It felt like Kennedy was getting more than a little pushy, and the desire didn't seem to be there at first, but it obviously was once they got into it...

Wood & Faith: Saw it coming, but the timing seemed off. Of all the scenes between our couples, this felt the most forced to me, even though I knew at some point they would hook up. It didn't seem like the characters were quite there yet.

Anya & Xander: Made perfect sense to me. Their sense of only having each other and their chemistry was great. Of the three love-fests, this one seemed the most natural.

I would have rather had just Willow and Kennedy or Faith and Wood and had it feel more natural, than trying to fit three sex scenes together.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:20 AM

Teraph wrote:
Regarding the fight, isn't this the first time Buffy has actively tried to avoid Caleb? It seems to me the other times she has tried to fight him (regardless of whether she was the aggressor). This time she seemed to just be dodging, as opposed to fighting back.

Caleb seems to have good reflexes and brute strength, but not much talent in the ways of grace or agility.

It's awkward from the beginning because Caleb is like GOD compared to Buffy. She can get a punch in, but he is GOD compared to them all, nonetheless.

Then, she goes slow motion Matrix and runs away. We see Caleb running like a girl and he trips over a barrell.

This is not D&D, where you have Agility and Stamina vs Strength and Cunning. Blah blah blah

Cut me a plate of cookies, somebody.

SUCCATASH

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:24 AM

There's a Buffy RPG? Don't play them much.

ETERNALS

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 1:42 PM

Having watched Buffy from the beginning I liken her to a sort of comic book heroine. Most of them have to get beaten down so that their victory seems so much sweeter. Admit it, if she had walked in and whooped his but in ten seconds, well how disappointed would you have been. She finally figured out that she couldn't go toe to toe with him, and as such, she could run away. I found it to be so, well, fulfilling to have her discover that she was right all along. And then, i also thought it was poetic justice what happened to Faith and the others. Not that I'm not a big Faith Fan, but Die Kennedy Die.

"I'm not going to love anyone I'm not legally obligated to." Red Foreman.

NOVAGRASS

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 4:57 PM

I have one thing to say about this epidode...

Wretched crap of epic proportions.

A.) Characters not in character
B.) Dialogue, awful
C.) The episode turned my hard earned tolerance for Andrew upsidedown, and I just didn't think he was a bit funny... just annoying beyond belief.
D.) A bomb? Are you kidding me? Can we say cliche no. 3 in the book of bad movie cliches?
E.) Kill Spike. Kill him now. Dead, dust, gone. He was written worse than I've ever seen him written.

The good? The sex scenes (Willow/Kennedy, Wood/Faith, and Xander/Anya) with the Sarah McLaughlin music, the Scythe... and... that's all. Everything else, wretched crap.

Perhaps one of the worst Buffy episodes of all time, up there with Wrecked or As You Were.

All respect to Rebecca Rand Kirshner, she is a funny lady, but she had NO place writing such a pivital dramatic episode. Bad bad decision, ME, especially for such an important character progressing episode.

--Dylan Palmer, Pretentious Bastard at Large--

"Oh my god, I'm a hack!" - Joss Whedon

MERLINDREA

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 6:02 PM

Arrrgh - I had to work yesterday and thought I taped it but I had setup the wrong channel! (in fact, it was WB2 instead of UPN). Is anybody out there who has taped it and could share it with me? I have never used Kazaa so far, so if its there, I would be superhappy about some help how to get it...

I want to see the love scenes!

Please please please help me...

Merl

HOTFORKAYLEE

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 7:32 PM

I would have to say this was an all around bad episode. I did like Spike and Faith fighting though. Can't stand Andrew he should be written off. The love scenes were allright. Xander's made sense and even though Kennedy is a bitch her and Willow made sense too. Faith is just horny, no real setup for that one in my eyes.

You knew the whole armory scene was a setup, but a bomb? Come on, give us a break. Buffy laying in bed crying then goes matrix on Caleb needed work too. As much as I like Spike I agree with Novagrass, his whole speech to Buffy was just to cheesy.

Let's hope it gets better but right now I could pretty much care less if they all die.

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"Don't send the ships. Let it burn, Mollari. Let it all end in fire."

LUPA

Wednesday, May 7, 2003 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by HotForKaylee:
You knew the whole armory scene was a setup, but a bomb? Come on, give us a break.

That was pretty much my sentiment. It was weird, 'cause I was watching w/ a friend and right before that scene she says, "C'mon, Pandora, open the box." And I was all, "It's not a bomb. This is Buffy. They wouldn't be so hopelessly predi - oh."

Anyway, word on the coolness Spike/Faith fight scene and the suckiness rest of the ep. Don't you just hate it when the first 3/4 is plodding and pointless and the ending is forced and rushed.

I couldn't buy that Faith would walk the girls into a trap so easily after Buffy Just Did That!

I'm glad B went after Caleb though, it was about time she quit whining and did something! I also liked seeing the mayor again, he was always one of my favorite baddies!

"I go online sometimes, but everyone's spelling is just so bad. It's depressing." Tara, BTVS

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