Problems with 2nd Caleb episode
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 7, 2003 06:05
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Maybe I'm just not Buffy enough, but I've been watching all season, and I thought tonight's show was not so great.
I have really enjoyed Buffy and can totally see Joss's handiwork. I was REALLY looking forward to tonight's episode.
I'd have to say it was weak. I didn't understand the intro and I thought the latex demon character driving the car was pretty lame. Who the hell was that guy? Was he a part of Buffy's imagination? Maybe if I had watched every season I would understand.
When EVERYBODY told Buffy to go to hell, I kept thinking they were brainwashed by the First. Or maybe Buffy would wake up from a bad dream. But apparantly they really did reject her, and I didn't find that scene altogether believable.
Not enough of Caleb, either. All in all, I was disappointed by this show.
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The demon guys name is Clem. He was introduced as a friend of Spikes last season, he was used as an element of comic relief. Playing poker for kittens, renting chick flicks while babysitting Dawn, etc. I think potraying him the way they did was to contrast this, he had seen apocalypes coming before and didn't panic like this. It was to show that the upcoming battle will not be the regular type of fight.
I was waiting for this break with Buffy to happen, I think it was just waiting for Faith to pick up the reins. Thoughout the show one element has always remained the same, true to the mythology of the slayer I guess. She fights alone, Not in command of an army. As the one true slayer, she will have to go one on one with the first, alone in the night to borrow a phrase.
As for the lack of Caleb, I agree
but I suspect he will become more and more involved through the last shows. Hard to write the bad guy into a core role, I have a sneaking suspicion that maybe Caleb might not be everything he appears. He may wind up being the key to stopping the first.
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Sorry double posted, hope you enjoy the upcoming episodes more.
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Oh, I was entertained. But I guess I was hoping for more, or different. Too bad for me.
I liked Spike's conversation about onion rings and french fries. But I wish it had just ended with that moment -- I saw it coming when Spike said, "If you tell anyone about this conversation I'll bite you." I think the uncomfortable silence would have been a better ending to the scene.
I like the idea of the Slayer fighting alone.
It's a great show, I'm excited about next week. I wonder what kind of weapon Buffy is supposed to wield? Something not meant for Caleb, hmmm. I wonder if it's a Ring?
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The slayer fighting alone is a cool idea. But in three surprising minutes, all of Buffy's friends of 7 years turned on her and kicked her out of her own house. It is not believable.
How could her sister tell her to leave? People who didn't want to follow Buffy anymore should have just left.
Everyone seemed out of character to me. Buffy loses one fight in seven years and they kick her out? And she goes? Without fighting Faith?
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I saw it coming. But I thought for sure it would be the Potentials who mutinied against the Scooby Gang. Even if Buffy's right about the vineyard being the seat of the First's power you think she could have found a less bitchy way of telling them about it. Something that wasn't immediately followed by the command to go back to the Winery of Death and Dismemberment without at least a plan. That she so didn't have yet and wouldn't have even thought of asking for input on if everyone hadn't been yelling at her. So the Scoobs being in on the toppling of Buffy from her throne did not surprise me. In fact I was pretty much fine with all of it until Dawn kicked Buffy out of the house. The hell?
"I was gonna get me an ear, too." - Jayne
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Originally posted by Succatash:
The slayer fighting alone is a cool idea. But in three surprising minutes, all of Buffy's friends of 7 years turned on her and kicked her out of her own house. It is not believable.
How could her sister tell her to leave? People who didn't want to follow Buffy anymore should have just left.
Everyone seemed out of character to me. Buffy loses one fight in seven years and they kick her out? And she goes? Without fighting Faith?
It was hardly sudden. They've been working up to this since Conversations with Dead People, the seventh episode of this season. All of Buffy's preaching and bitching and trying to command the potentials was really giving her a holier than though issue. That's Buffy's tragic flaw, her superiority complex and her selfishness.
I'm *really* impressed that they all turned on her at the moment they did. It was perfect timing in my eyes.
--Dylan Palmer, Pretentious Bastard at Large--
"Oh my god, I'm a hack!" - Joss Whedon
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Actually, I had the same problem like others here - I just couldn't find it believable. Okay, a fight within the gang was coming. But I just couldn't believe Buffy would stand there and saying "last time was no fun" with Xander sitting one-eyed before her - I mean, this is just not the way to say this. Buffy is usually considerate and she was very hurt by what happened in the cellar, so she would not describe a night where people were killed and her best friend lost his eye as "no fun".
Second, Dawn throwing her out was just not believable. "I love you but this is my house, too, now go!"??? (Willow's reaction was more in line with her character, doubting Buffy's judgement)
Bottom-line it bothered me that the writers choose to have people act strangely, just to reach the goal of the lonely slayer again. Its a cheap ending for a great show. I would have expected better.
Merl
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Originally posted by Novagrass:
It was hardly sudden. They've been working up to this since Conversations with Dead People, the ninth episode of this season. All of Buffy's preaching and bitching and trying to command the potentials was really giving her a holier than though issue. That's Buffy's tragic flaw, her superiority complex and her selfishness.
I'm *really* impressed that they all turned on her at the moment they did. It was perfect timing in my eyes.
--Dylan Palmer, Pretentious Bastard at Large--
"Oh my god, I'm a hack!" - Joss Whedon
At that point I was ready to kick Buffy out myself. I Agree with Novagrass and I think Buffy is wrong:
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First: And how was our best girl?
Caleb: They always think they should put up a fight
First: So did you lay the proper groundwork?
Caleb: Yea I did. Reckon she got the message, even if she doesn't know it yet. So now the big strong slayer goes back to those girls. She's just so ready to walk them right into it.
I think that getting Buffy to lead the girls back to the vineyard is the plan, to finish them off. If everyone had listened to Buffy they would be dead now. Caleb wanted them there and afterwords he and the first would go to the hellmouth. Why bother protecting the hellmouth when it's not going anywhere?
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"Wars are won or lost before they are fought. The preparation, attitude, strategy, and the selection of proper allies. "
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GINOBIFFARONI wrote:
"The demon guys name is Clem. He was introduced as a friend of Spikes last season, he was used as an element of comic relief."
So it this demon just driving around in a car, and no one notices he is not human? Or is he invisible to regular people?
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