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WIll we believe him again?

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, August 22, 2005 08:56
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Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:04 PM

It seems to me like I've heard this before.

Quote:

Bush: Force last resort on Iran

JERUSALEM (Reuters) -- U.S. President George W. Bush said on Israeli television he could consider using force as a last resort to press Iran to give up its nuclear program.

www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/13/bush.iran.reut/index.html

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:21 PM

When has Bush done anything but keep his word ? He's done petty much what he's said, which is a rare quality for any politician.



" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:30 PM

Auraptor's right. Strictly speaking, force is always the 'last' resort. Sort of like when you're looking for something. It's always in the 'last' place you look, right?

But seriously, and sadly, the response also indicates that yes, they'll buy it again. The true believers have lost touch with what it means to be American, in my opinion, and embraced a vision of America as an imperialistic, 'ruler of the world'. I don't know whether it's the insecurity triggered by the terrorist attacks, or if Bush has just found some latent megalomaniacal streak in our nation, but it's depressing as hell.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:57 PM

IN OUR PREVIOUS EPISODE: When Bush was saying force was a last resort it was already at the top of his agenda. Unless Bush likes to make totally baseless threats, bringing up force (even to "negate" it) is CLEARLY meant to put the though of force front and center in Iran's mind. And you know what that's going to do? Harden the Iranian mind-set and make the European negotiations much more difficult.

If Bush intends to bomb Iran (I doubt very much he would invade) what you will see is a steady stream of anti-Iranian press. Through a combination of bluster and threats, Bush will continue to torpedo negotiations. The matter will be referred to the Security Council. Sanctions will be placed. Somewhere along the line, Bush will move the goal posts. (In this article Bush is already talking about Iran ending it's "nuclear program" when the only problem is fuel enrichment. I can't tell if this is a deliberate shift, bad reporting, or stupidity on his part.) He will once again pose the threat of nuclear annhiliation to the American people. Probably bring up 9-11 ONCE AGAIN. If Bush is really lucky, there will be another terrorist attack on the USA. (I expect howls of indignation. ) And Americans will be left once gain with the apparent choice of nuclear Armageddon or bombing another country.

The phrase "Permanent war for permanent peace" is beginning to be way too applicable.

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:24 PM

My only hope is that there are enough fence sitters in the Bush supporter camp who will fall away if they try this crap again. But its a slim hope.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:31 PM

Hell, I think the only hope is if Iran can throw some working warheads together.....

Maybe Russia or France should just sell them some.

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_police/de_do_do_do_de_da_da_da.h
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Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:17 PM

This presumes I ever believed him in the first place.

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:19 PM

Wait, what's that?
Crikey! Iran has WMD"s!!!!
And what's that UNDER the WMD's?
Oh no, they're LRAADS!!!!!(long range and accurate delivery systems)

Unlike yesterday at this time, they now pose a threat!!!
With WMD's and LRAADS, we'll be SOOL if we don't BTAN*!

*bomd their ass now, catchy phrase, no? Chrisisall

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:23 PM

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Originally posted by batmarlowe:
This presumes I ever believed him in the first place.



See, this gets at something I've been thinking about for a while now. I think even most Bush supporters knew he was misleading the nation. They just didn't care. I think they, many of them anyway, knew he had plans to dominate the entire middle east and were in favor of it.

It reminds me of the old con-artist's maxim: You can't con an honest man.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:34 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I don't know whether it's the insecurity triggered by the terrorist attacks, or if Bush has just found some latent megalomaniacal streak in our nation, but it's depressing as hell.


You too can find relief from depression- blind faith in your leaders cures all.
Half this country used to suffer from depression and uncertainty, but now they're just fine.

Sorry, I'm just a little upset at the common Bush supporter just now. It's possible I'm not seein' things clearly, but I think Bush is setting the stage for permanent armed conflict on a more or less global scale.

Maybe this is a conspiracy to take attention away from global warming...?

I tried to end on a funny Chrisisall

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