WIll we believe him again?
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Monday, August 22, 2005 08:56
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Yeah, but I'd still like to smack 'im.
The Cobb in me Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Hero:
Sure, they waited till we'd won, then jumped in with both pinky toes. Lets face it the French haven't had a pair of ball between them since Napoleon and he was a Corsican.
Okay, I don't even know where to begin telling you whats wrong with that...
Without the French I'd say its almost a certainty that you guys would have lost the war of independence...
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Originally posted by Hero:
Yes we do. We have several. There's American, Republican, and my favorite "Trump".
Please...
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A bint is hard to qualify, its uses are various, in the case of old Maggie Thatcher it says shes a mad old woman...
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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Quote:Jokes aside, de-activate his shields, and he's a very nice fella.
Originally posted by SignyM:
He is unable to follow a logical progression past certain strong defenses... his mind just veers sideways like a phonograph needle that skips a whole bunch of tracks.
For real Chrisisall
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Quote:Jokes aside, de-activate his shields, and he's a very nice fella. And he doesn't double post, either.
Originally posted by SignyM:
He is unable to follow a logical progression past certain strong defenses... his mind just veers sideways like a phonograph needle that skips a whole bunch of tracks.
For real Chrisisall
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Originally posted by citizen:
Without the French I'd say its almost a certainty that you guys would have lost the war of independence...
The British navy was decimated by bad weather. If it hadn't its unlikely the French Admiral would have risked his force to drive the British Navy from relief of Yorktown.
Speaking of Yorktown, the French Army had no role (Marquis de Lafayette not withstanding) in defeating the principal British Army in the field and walling them up inside their Yorktown fortress.
The Continental Army was proving more and more able every year despite meager supplies and unreliable manpower. The British meanwhile were faced with the prospect of expensive military operations, indefinite in duration, requiring the conscription, training, arming and transport of a large standing army draining on manpower and wealth at a time of intense international competition.
France's contribution to the war was more in its existance as a British competitor then as a party to the actual conflict.
So to France I say "thanks for the nice statue" but you can go frack yourselves since then.
H
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Maybe your right, but your certainly grossly understating both the level of French involvement and their contribution:
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Defeat at Saratoga was not necessarily a military cataclysm for the British, but it encouraged the French, anxious to obtain revenge for the humiliations of the Seven Years War, to go beyond the covert support they had offered the patriots thus far, and join the war. Spain and Holland were to follow suit, and in 1780 a wider League of Armed Neutrality was formed, to resist British attempts to stop and search merchant shipping. The American war was now a world war, which meant that British resources could no longer be concentrated on North America alone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/state/empire/rebels_redcoats_01.shtml
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Quote:So that's why she looks so...French-ish...
Originally posted by Hero:
So to France I say "thanks for the nice statue"
Uh, you mean the Statue of Liberty, right?
Thought it was designed here and made in China...Chrisisall
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm very curious, but I doubt that I'll get much of an answer, if any of y'all think the U.S. has ever done anything in our short 200 year stint on this planet for which we should be ashamed (that is other than the biggies like slavery--now I might put Hiroshima here and the genocide of the Native Americans, but there's some indication that posters here have found those actions justified). So is there anything that besmirches America's good name today, anything at all?
I think its a perectly reasonable question. It follows the one where we ask if you believe whether the US, in its 200 year history, has been a positive influence in the world?
To answer your question takes far too much time. The obvious answer is yes, we elected Clinton didn't we...twice.
But that is the easy way out. Starting at the begining we failed to properly fund Washington's Army, failed to implement a sound system of finance and taxation, and failed to properly manage land and indian affairs. We can list those under the heading "Articles of Confederation".
Moving on I find American history filled with one shameful act after another. The Alien and Sedition Act, the Yazoo Scandal, the Fugitive Slave Act, Plessy v. Fergusson, Richard Nixon. On and on and on and then some. Yet I find that these things help define the greatness of our land. We strive to be "more perfect", often falling short on our human legs, yet ever have our eyes on the dream of what could be.
I note that Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) is nothing to be ashamed of. Last night I wathed the History Channel's documentary on the military's Invasion of Japan scheduled for November 1st, 1945. Many more would have died civilian, military, American, ally and enemy alike and we would not have known the real horror that became the nuclear bomb. It saved lives and taught a valuable lesson. I suggest it served greater humanitarian purpose then any bomb ever dropped. Just look at the effect on the Japanese. Sure there is fallout and radiotion sicknesses even today, but they were not a nation of embittered survivors, but warriors bowed to the greater power and thus welcomed and welcoming as friend and ally.
H
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:So that's why she looks so...French-ish...
Originally posted by Hero:
So to France I say "thanks for the nice statue"
Uh, you mean the Statue of Liberty, right?
Thought it was designed here and made in China...Chrisisall
No. I was refering to 'The Spirit of Life' by Daniel Chester French. You crazy leftys and your Statue of Liberty fetish.
Here:
< http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/dc_french/daniel_chester_french.html>
H
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm very curious, but I doubt that I'll get much of an answer, if any of y'all think the U.S. has ever done anything in our short 200 year stint on this planet for which we should be ashamed (that is other than the biggies like slavery--now I might put Hiroshima here and the genocide of the Native Americans, but there's some indication that posters here have found those actions justified). So is there anything that besmirches America's good name today, anything at all?
I think its a perectly reasonable question. It follows the one where we ask if you believe whether the US, in its 200 year history, has been a positive influence in the world?
To answer your question takes far too much time. The obvious answer is yes, we elected Clinton didn't we...twice.
But that is the easy way out. Starting at the begining we failed to properly fund Washington's Army, failed to implement a sound system of finance and taxation, and failed to properly manage land and indian affairs. We can list those under the heading "Articles of Confederation".
Moving on I find American history filled with one shameful act after another. The Alien and Sedition Act, the Yazoo Scandal, the Fugitive Slave Act, Plessy v. Fergusson, Richard Nixon. On and on and on and then some. Yet I find that these things help define the greatness of our land. We strive to be "more perfect", often falling short on our human legs, yet ever have our eyes on the dream of what could be.
I note that Hiroshima (and Nagasaki) is nothing to be ashamed of. Last night I wathed the History Channel's documentary on the military's Invasion of Japan scheduled for November 1st, 1945. Many more would have died civilian, military, American, ally and enemy alike and we would not have known the real horror that became the nuclear bomb. It saved lives and taught a valuable lesson. I suggest it served greater humanitarian purpose then any bomb ever dropped. Just look at the effect on the Japanese. Sure there is fallout and radiotion sicknesses even today, but they were not a nation of embittered survivors, but warriors bowed to the greater power and thus welcomed and welcoming as friend and ally.
H
Thanks for a virtually snark-free reply. You make a compelling argument for the use made of Hiroshima in human history. It's very tragic that such destructive power must be tested, but we humans have yet to learn restraint where knowledge and power are concerned.
The rest of your post, I can endorse whole heartedly, 'cept the first election of Clinton. That was an important moment of real optimism and generosity of spirit for the American people. We, as a people, must reclaim our optimism and our belief in a better tomorrow for everyone--not just "us."
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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