Intelligent Design
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 17:04
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Ok...
To clarify i do have reservations about the big bang myself, but to play devils advocate (which I believe is required in a disscussion of this nature).
Dark energy, as far as I understood has more to do with explaining observed behaviours of the universe, rather than just the big bang:
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During the late 1990s, observations of type Ia supernovae suggested that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. These observations have been corroborated by several independent sources since then: the cosmic microwave background, gravitational lensing, age of the universe, big bang nucleosynthesis, large scale structure and measurements of the Hubble parameter, as well as improved measurements of the supernovae. All these elements are consistent with the concordance Lambda-CDM model.
Equally, although Dark Matter does help with the big bang theory, there is evidence to suggest its existence.
But out of curiosity, isn't n-dimenstion to do with string and m theory?
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
A movie that touches on this topic: anyone see Supernova? It had a cool ending, but in the extras it had an even more amazing ending that should have been used! It's not a 'GREAT' movie, but worth a look for the concepts (and the deleted ending) alone.
Sci-fi Chrisisall
Supernova? Aint seen it, whats it about?
You Science loving pagan you
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A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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CHRISISALL:
Books...
In Search of Schrodinger's Cat: Quantum Physics And Reality is a good start. The author is John Gribbin. Then try out Infinity and the Mind by Rudy Rucker - also check out The Fourth Dimension by the same author. It is a laymans view of multi-dimensional theory. But if you like that stuff you would probably love Flatland. Humans live in a three dimensional world, but we 'think' in the fourth. Flatland looks at how flat 'people' or beings would see the world in a planar scape, but think in 'three' dimensional terms. If you want to get really heavy into all this, then DEFINATELY read the Tao if Physics by Fritjof Capra and the Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukav. And if you want to apply any of this in the real world then read everything by Richard Feynman.
Ending in 1994 there was a project in Waxahachie Texas called the Superconducting Super Collider. The DOE was building the worlds largest atom smasher. It was to be 54 milies in circumference, and would literally encircle the entire town. Anyway, I worked on that project for a while during my college days. That's where I picked up on alot of this junk. Unfortunately, the project was killed by uncle sam for reasons unknown, esp since we were ahead of schedule and behind on costs - maybe it had to do with an accidental cure for cancer they didn't want to acknowledge. Hummmm... Things like that emerge in high energy physics...
And yeah, I have written several books but I have never attempted to publish them. They all began as notes - then to notebooks, and then into my own personal references.
And finally - No. The thing about the battery terminals wasn't about love per se. But if you like it, then feel free I guess. But it was more in reference to your Buddhism comment.
Atomkey
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Originally posted by citizen:
In fact modern thinking is that an electron does not orbit an atom, but forms an electron cloud around it because it can literally exist in all places within its orbit at once.
Ya - electrons form a shell, or cloud if you like. When the atom is not observed = the status of the electron (or any given sub atomic particle) is not known. That doesn't mean it is in some random position. If it were, then it would not get along with other atomic buddies of his same type. And yes, good old Schrodinger makes the point = cat in box with cyanide vial, hammer and servo - attached to geiger counter reading radium. Consider the status of the counter as the unknown state of the electron shell (the radium's emission). The question is, what is the current status of the electron. The only way to find out is to OBSERVE THE SYSTEM. Suddenly, the current position (or state) is found out, but nothing worthwhile can be said about it's previous status or the next one to come. Thus, the cat is both dead and alive, the vial is both broken and not, and so on. So actually, the Schridinger mind game about the cat isn't subscribing to anything being random. In fact it is suggesting that YOU (and I) are the only thing that can remotely inject anything truly random into the universe. The jacked up thing about the cat is: Once you look at the geiger counter you have now become part of the quantum system that's involves the cat. Once you do look at it, you are part of the system forever... and better yet if someone else observes you 'observing' the system, then they TOO become part of it. Once you are part of any quantum mechanical system, you cannot be removed from it unless you have the faith and mind power to un-observe something you already know of. This would be like Jesus power or something - like in the Matrix = where the spoon doesn't bend. You do. Personally, I do not believe in random. I mean look, humans cannot even create true random numbers in an automated way.
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OOps - forgot to close quote... :(
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Unfortunately, the project was killed by uncle sam for reasons unknown, esp since we were ahead of schedule and behind on costs
There's your answer Atomkey. You were setting a bad precident for every other government project. I do feel for you. I still get steamed whenever I visit the cape and see all of that Apollo flight hardware turned into lawn ornaments.
Personally, I can't look at a globular cluster or a leaf or the miracle of a child and believe it just happened...
science loving, religious fanatic Fivver
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Citizen:
Everything we (think) we know about the universe is postulated on our single base of operations - that is = Earth. With the size and complexity of, well... everything = there is no way we can truly rely on things like E=MC^2 to work every where. This is the mass-energy conversion that used in many places, and has a appropriate use in physics, astrophysics, and theoretical physics. Both E (Energy) and M (Mass) can have a delta either way. But C cannot. That's becuase C was assumed to be a constant speed of 186000 miles a second. But it doesn't. Light moves at various velocities depending on it's wavelength (is it coherent light [laser]), what is it moving through, water, gas, vacuum? Scientists recently passed coherent light through a cesium atom suspended at absolute zero (Kelvin). This interfered with the photons in such a way that the scientists could actually watch the beam of light emerge from the emitter, travel through the atom (it is suspended so it is very large), and then to the destination plate. It was moving at around 5 mph.
So - you can't really use E=MC^2 anymore, since the primary thing that made it work was C. And C is no longer a constant. Of course, in the realm of controlled physics (where we make sure [determine] how we want things to behave) then it still comes in handy. Esp for building bombs.
Once more thing. Velocity relies heavily on time. Why = becuase we can't determine velocity without knowing a distance and 'how long' it took for some given projectile to travel the distance. But here's the catch. Technically speaking, there is no time at all. Time is a human invention so we may measure the passage of our self awareness. In all ways that humans attempt to re-invent what is aware = we fail. Our lives do not jut about in quick tic-tok like movements. Instead we move through time... moment to moment. Smoothly. In fact. Time travel IS possible becuase you are traveling through it at this very moment. You are your own machine, the mind is the navigator and now is the present. Time is kinda like the cat. IF you don't observe it = it becomes mute to your particular view of everything.
If anyone ever asks you what time it is = either say, just then. Or right now. But never in a moment.
Atomkey
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Quote:It's a movie by Walter Hill, but he took his name off it for various studio-meddeling reasons.
Originally posted by citizen:
Supernova? Aint seen it, whats it about?
It plays a little like an Alien movie, 'cept no aliens, sort of a thriller about a medical ship that accidently goes off course in deep space-
I shouldn't really say more, just rent it (I liked it enough to buy it, $10 at Circuit City), it's a neat little flick. It's got about a half hour of deleted scenes (mostly studio mandates for time and to dumb it down just a bit), but the one to watch is the alternate ending (the studio didn't 'get' it).
Ebert & Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Atomkey:
Unfortunately, the project was killed by uncle sam for reasons unknown, esp since we were ahead of schedule and behind on costs - maybe it had to do with an accidental cure for cancer they didn't want to acknowledge.
Thanks for the booklist, Atomkey. And if I didn't know better, I'd say, extrapolating from the quote above, that you were some kind of Conspiracy Theorist....
Now you're talkin' my language Chrisisall
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Fivver:
I say you're right. We needed $640M in 1994 to continue the project. The oversight people approved the money. It was ours, but the the govt (since they were running the project) said, oh - nevermind. We'll just let Cern and FermiLab handle all the physics. Then they told us to use the moeny to shut down instead... Poof. Sucks too, we were slated to be the first to find the Top Quark.
If you are remotely interested, check out the link: SSC = Superconducting Super Collider.
http://www.hep.net/ssc/
Atomkey
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