Intelligent Design
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UPDATED: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 17:04
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There are many examples of bacteria forced to evolve including (but not limited to) in-situ remediation. The thing that crosses my mind is: I sure hope those bugs don't get loose! But then, I guess that it is so energetically costly to detoxify methylene chloride, for example, that in virtually all cases the bateria would be quickly out-competed by their more normal cousins. It's that 1:10^20 Andromeda Strain you have to watch out for!
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originally posted by AtomKey:
But where did all the stuff come from in the first place? Did it make itself? Did you make yourself? A subatomic particle has a particular vector and velocity. These cannot be known until measured, right? So then when they are measured they are proven to have a particular course and speed. Take a wave-guide that has one injection site and two paths. The observed path is always where the particle emerges. Is this random? Perhaps random is just a cop-out way of saying we have no method to predict the outcome – yet. Maybe there is no random after all?
Why couldn't it make itself, or maybe what existed before our universe was pure energy, E=MC² gives a mechanism for energy to become matter and vice-versa.
If/when our universe ceases to exist they're will be no time, as time is a part of the change in state of our universe. Its a difficult point to grasp but they're would be no before or after, so hypothetically its possible that a 'big crunch' where our universe collapses into a singularity could be the catalyst for the big bang that created our universe in the first place.
Your point seems to jump around ideas of quantum physics a lot, and I'm not sure what your trying to say, but randomness in the field of sub-atomic particles takes the idea of Schrödinger's cat, an explination of which you can find here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrodinger%27s_cat
The idea is that a particle is 'random' because you or it doesn't know where it is or will be until its measured, and the measuring itself changes the particles behaviour/position. Thus until a particle is measured it can be thought of being everywhere within its realm.
In fact modern thinking is that an electron does not orbit an atom, but forms an electron cloud around it because it can literally exist in all places within its orbit at once.
In nuclear decay you can know how many atoms will decay, but not which atoms, not until it happens. Every atom in the sample has an equal chance of decaying, but only some do at any instant.
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Hello,
It seems to me that any intelligent design meant to endure over centuries and millenia, ought to include an ability to adapt to changes in its environment. When new challenges surface, the design ought to be able to alter itself to meet them.
It seems to me that evolution is the most intelligent design feature possible.
--Anthony
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That doesn't rule out evolution being a natural and random process, nor does it support I.D., as far as I can see...
Although I don't see any reason why evolution or the big bang precludes the existence of god. To my mind it only precludes the humanised version of god, and creation seen in the Bible for instance.
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I have always felt that evolution suggests an intelligent design feature that responds to the ever-changing, sometimes random, nature of the universe.
The fact that not all creatures who are exposed to similar experiences end up evolving in the same way suggests to me that the course of evolution itself is guided by an underlying intelligent design or plan.
I feel that evolution, as the most intelligent of all design features, is clear indication of a higher creator. Not randomness forges us, but rather the One who made it possible for randomness to change us in beneficial ways.
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originally posted by AnthonyT:
The fact that not all creatures who are exposed to similar experiences end up evolving in the same way suggests to me that the course of evolution itself is guided by an underlying intelligent design or plan.
But the only true test would be if the same creature was subjected to the same experiences in seperate (tho identical) places...
Even if the creatures and their situations are similar I doesn't necessarilly follow that the same mutation would be optimal. In fact I would argue the fact that not all creatures evolve in the same way is more coherent with a 'random' element to evolution than a designed.
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Quote:Wha...? Randomness also changes creatures to their detriment. It's not as if every creature that ever evolved is still alive today.
The fact that not all creatures who are exposed to similar experiences end up evolving in the same way suggests to me that the course of evolution itself is guided by an underlying intelligent design or plan....the One who made it possible for randomness to change us in beneficial ways.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Even if the creatures and their situations are similar I doesn't necessarilly follow that the same mutation would be optimal. In fact I would argue the fact that not all creatures evolve in the same way is more coherent with a 'random' element to evolution than a designed.
What about the idea that all possible outcomes of any given choice exist on seperate planes of existance. Thus identical creatures and situations yield an infinite number of combinations.
That means somewhere out there John Kerry is the Republican President and Saddam Hussein is Pope and Firefly, starring William Shatner as Captain James T. Reynolds, is entering its sixth or seventh season as the number one show on CBS, Mexico's most wathced network wilst 'Who Wants to be a Hilton' is set for a September movie release.
Oh, and any intelligent design would incorporate randomness as a factor, thus ordering random chaos into its overall pattern.
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Quote:I have thought for a long time that matter is merely wave forms that are brought to focus in a particular time and space by interactions with other wave forms (something like constructive interference). Thus, all possibilities exist in a wave, but when they are 'measured' or seen it is due to their local interaction with other wave forms.
In fact modern thinking is that an electron does not orbit an atom, but forms an electron cloud around it because it can literally exist in all places within its orbit at once.
PS And the reason why E=MC^2 is because matter is merely the focused state of these waves (like a standing wave in space)
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