Intelligent Design
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 17:04
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To say that incorporating randomness (the evolutionary process) is the "intelligence" in intelligent design contradicts the major contention of ID:
Quote:And, they not only have a problem with the origins of life, they have a problem with the diversity of life and all the finely tuned physical constants that make the universe possible.
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.
Positive evidence of design in living systems consists of the semantic, meaningful or functional nature of biological information, the lack of any known law that can explain the sequence of symbols that carry the "messages," and statistical and experimental evidence that tends to rule out chance as a plausible explanation. Other evidence challenges the adequacy of natural or material causes to explain both the origin and diversity of life.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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It's hard to take seriously scientific arguments for Intelligent Design when the whole point of it is to undermine the reliance on scientific argument. The proponents of the movement will deny that this is the case, but c'mon - they don't want evolution accepted as fact because it calls into question some of the basic assumptions of their religion. That's pretty much what this is all about.
It seems to me, for a religion to have much value it ought to be flexible and adaptive (much like science is). Part of the problem today is that our religions can't keep up with our changing understanding of the physical world.
I'm not really anti-religion. It may prove to be an indispensable part of the human psyche, but why not try to understand it and adapt it to our current environment so that it is actually a boon to modern civilization?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Quote:Buddism, anyone?
Originally posted by SergeantX:
It seems to me, for a religion to have much value it ought to be flexible and adaptive (much like science is).
Or you could always go the Scientology route...
Meditating Chrisisall
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Thats right Rue, its called wave-particle duality...
Einstien postulated that all matter was in fact a wave AND a particle, that is particles have wave like properties, but as particle size increases wavelength drops, until by the time you get to the size of a neutron the wave properties are 'invisible' because they are contained within the particles mass...
E=MC² describes the amount of energy yielded if a given quantity of matter is converted into energy.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Oh, and any intelligent design would incorporate randomness as a factor, thus ordering random chaos into its overall pattern.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the very definition of a Post-hoc analysis...
Well, if evolution is random it proves that theres intelligent design, if it isn't then it proves the existence of intelligent design.
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
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And the Universe as the dance.
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I agree Chrisisall, Buddhism is a religon I have alot of respect for, due in no small part to the fact that it concentrates more on getting people to live good lives, rather than being right and persecuting heretics...
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Citizen
Something a little different from wave-particle duality. I'm going for wave, with matter being waves in a special type of interaction. But thanks for the response. As you may have noticed, I'm not a mathemetician or physicist so this notion of mine could be completely bogus. But it is so clear in my mind.
PS Anything you could tell me would be greatly appreciated, or a reference would be good. One of the wonderful things about this board is the chance to learn.
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People who embrace ID have to reject fossil evidence, DNA studies, and the entire foundation of scientific enquiry. And I do have a problem with that kind of religion. I can understand religions that acknowledge human unity or that recognize the vastness of the universe or that provide ethical guidance or that seek to explain those areas that science cannot (Why are we here?)... but THIS particular religious sect seeks to impose belief even when it contradicts daily experience. And the problem is when you set up a religion based on faith VERSUS evidence, that religion will never be self-correcting because there is no avenue for feedback/ input.
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Citizen- you seem to be knowledgeable about quantum physics. I confess- I fufilled my second-year physics requirements with meteorology and thermodynamics. I ducked. 
So, do I have some theories for YOU. But I gotta get back to work- DANG!
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