The Bush administration has been more successful than we've been led to believe...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, August 6, 2005 00:57
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SERGEANTX

Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:14 PM

Enjoy your stay, Hero!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

HERO

Thursday, August 4, 2005 4:24 PM

Nice, the last three Democratic Presidents? Or maybe a collection of FOX programming directors?

Sometimes a chimp is just a chimp...

Edit: I liked the monkeys better. Although I'd rather be accused of having my head in the sand then having it up my ass like most liberal Democrats I know. Thats why the Democratic Party symbol is the ass. Republicans kick ass, Democrats are asses.

H

SERGEANTX

Thursday, August 4, 2005 5:30 PM

Yeah, I couldn't decide. I ended up with the ostrich though. Should I bring back the chimps?

I agree with ya on the Democrats. At least you got company down there.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

HERO

Thursday, August 4, 2005 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Yeah, I couldn't decide. I ended up with the ostrich though. Should I bring back the chimps?

Hmmm, why not both. I believe in equal time. And maybe we can spark the great monkey-chip debate. I'm pro-chimp, anti-monkey. I'm also the against Mass.'s baboon marriage law.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 4, 2005 9:34 PM

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Originally posted by NeutrinoLad:
Who says it's a permanent base?

Who said 'base'? First we need a foothold.
Bases will come later.

We're leaving Iraq now...what? We can't yet? Oh, too bad, roll the cement trucks in, guys.

We have Guantanimo in Cuba. We need a Guantani-el Saied in Iraq.
Then a Guantani-Kafir in Iran.
Then...

A Moonbase would be nice Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, August 4, 2005 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
To pluck Saddam from power, and establish a permanent U.S. military presence in the Middle East! And they've done it!!

Cool!

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 4, 2005 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Cool!

What? 'Cool'? That tells me a lot...NOT!
I have never seen a reply from you that short! Any response that is not at least 2 paragraphs and well thought out is not a true Finn post, and therefore 'Cool' is unacceptable.
It was humourous, yes, but entirely lacking in the depth we've come to expect. Please expand.

The class is w a i t i n g ......

Mr. Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Friday, August 5, 2005 4:33 AM

So which country do you all think we should invade next? I'd like to go somewhere with a nicer climate. I think France is nice this time of year. Didn't they make faces at us or something at the last UN meeting? We can't stand for that kind of aggression!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CITIZEN

Friday, August 5, 2005 2:25 PM

Invade France, they have no word for entrepreneur...

Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, August 5, 2005 5:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Cool!
What? 'Cool'? That tells me a lot...NOT!
I have never seen a reply from you that short! Any response that is not at least 2 paragraphs and well thought out is not a true Finn post, and therefore 'Cool' is unacceptable.
It was humourous, yes, but entirely lacking in the depth we've come to expect. Please expand.

The class is w a i t i n g ......

Mr. Chrisisall

Oh, you want more then one word? Well, beyond more then one word I can’t be held responsible for the validity of anything said, but okay.

I don’t believe that the establishment of a permanent military base in the Middle East was even a goal, much less the principle goal of this administration’s decision to enter Iraq. I think that if the issue of a permanent US presence in the Middle East was a major point in the internal pre-war debate, it was probably closer to the opposite. More then likely the elimination of a permanent presence was the argument, if it came up at all.

And it doesn’t make sense either. We’ve had a US military presence in nine Middle Eastern or regional nations well before 2001. So a military presence can’t possibly be the principle or even a principle reason for the war.

I’m no small fish, but I don’t brush shoulders with the Joint Chiefs or the cabinet either, so I really don’t know what they talked about. I doubt they would tell me anyway. And the point is probably a moot one, since whether a permanent US presence in the Iraq was a selling point or not, we were likely to be there a while either way.

All that aside though, the truth is I’m in favor of a permanent or semi-permanent US military presence in the Iraq. The US has created boundless good from permanent or semi-permanent military presence in the remains of former totalitarian state or feudal imperialisms. Germany, Italy, Japan, and South Korea have all benefited and continue to benefit from a huge US presence. Now you might not know that from the anti-American rhetoric, but all but the most ignorant must certainly admit that a US military presence is all that created these liberal democracies from the totalitarian states they had previously been, and all but the most ardent anti-American citizen of these countries will pause with concern when they discover that the US military bases their economy relies on are closing. There are actually countries out there begging for a permanent US military presence, because of the enormous benefit, both economic and political, it can bring. And the countries that have a permanent US military presence will often seek great concessions to keep it.

The Middle East is a hot bed of political strife, feudal warlords and economic chaos. It’s unstable and has been at the brink of implosion for years. A permanent or semi-permanent US military presence safeguarding a Middle Eastern liberal democracy in Iraq will undoubted piss off a lot terrorists and anti-American fruits, but that’s because it, more then anything else, has the potential to turn the Middle East into a stable democratic region, thereby robbing the despots, fanatics and terrorists of their opportunity to gain control.

So in short, I don’t know if a permanent US presence was ever a pre-war goal, but it may have become a post-war one, and I’m just all peachy with it . . . if we can keep from F’ing it up.

500+ words. Is that long enough?

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

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