Let the people of Iraq decide.
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Friday, August 12, 2005 23:45
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ah, that's beautiful. Who'd have thought reaching out our hand would have such a death toll?
Chrisisall is right, give Hero a radio show, he's way funnier than Rush.
Hero, you're a national treasure!
Yesterday 19 of my friends and neighbors from northeast Ohio died fighting for freedom in Iraq.
Its fine to hide behind these computer screens and debate the morality of this conflict. Its fine to make blanket accusations and baseless assertions from the security of your annonymous existance. But I'm here, live and in person, face to face with the reality of war in the eyes of those left behind.
Those men fought for freedom. Those men died for their country. They were proud of what they were doing and believed in the mission and the Commander-in-Chief. They're heroes and I'm proud of them. I'm proud of their service and in awe of their sacrifice. I look at men like Saddam and Bin Ladden and I know that they are not worth the lives of so fine a collection of souls as those boys. But to borrow a line: shit happens, somebody's gotta take care of it, so who ya gonna call? The US Marines, the son's of Ohio, thats who.
And if we find out foriegn fighters are responsible, Syrian, since that seems most likely, I say we blow the living hell out of that goddamn pissant little country and its bastard Baa'thist government. I might be emotional, but I aint wrong.
H
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Hero,
Those men have been in my thoughts and prayers and now, thanks to your post, they are in my heart.
I have friends who are serving over in that part of the world and a nephew who will soon be.
Fivver
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Quote:THAT BUSH OPTED FOR
Yesterday 19 of my friends and neighbors from northeast Ohio died fighting for freedom in Iraq.
Its fine to hide behind these computer screens and debate the morality of this conflict. Its fine to make blanket accusations and baseless assertions from the security of your annonymous existance. But I'm here, live and in person, face to face with the reality of war
Quote:I don't question soldiers' morality nor do I make blanket accusations against them. I DO questions Bush's morality... and yours. YOU would choose that they sacrifice their lives for... whatever. Me - not so much. I feel for their families, friends, and compatriots. What a waste. What a shame.
in the eyes of those left behind.
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Originally posted by Hero:
I look at men like Saddam and Bin Ladden and I know that they are not worth the lives of so fine a collection of souls as those boys.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. It's why I'm so bitterly opposed to what's going on over there.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't question soldiers' morality nor do I make blanket accusations against them. I DO questions Bush's morality... and yours. YOU would choose that they sacrifice their lives for... whatever. Me - not so much. I feel for their families, friends, and compatriots. What a waste. What a shame.
You claim not to question the soldiers morality, you claim to support them despite your opposition to the conflict.
But you action is to use this opportunity to launch a personal attack against me and the President in the very face of my heartfelt grief at the loss of MY friends and MY neighbors. These men share my views far more then they share yours. Support for the war is highest among those who are serving on the front lines. And believe me they may hate having to travel to fight in Iraq, but one look at the events in London make them thankful to be fighting there then on the streets of Cleveland.
One was a police officer, another a new father, and another a new husband. They had hopes and dreams, they had fears and weaknesses. But to a man they volunteered to serve in a cause they believe. Beliefs you do not share and for that you attack me, and the President and ultimately them. The enemy targets America by attacking her soldiers. You target her soldiers by attacking America. It aint right. Men are dying out there, they deserve better then the likes of you tearing them down from the shadow of the walls they guard.
If you were here I'd knock you on your ass, but your not so I guess you can go to hell.
Pardon the anger, but, well, I'm a bit angry...thanks,
H
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Originally posted by Hero:
You claim not to question the soldiers morality, you claim to support them despite your opposition to the conflict.
But your action is to use this opportunity to launch a personal attack against me and the President in the very face of my heartfelt grief at the loss of MY friends and MY neighbors.
Hero, I appreciate your anger, and I'm sorry for your grief, but the decision was yours. You were the one who posted this and used it as an opportunity to lob insults at those of us who are against the war.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Thanks Sarge.
Hero- You know, for someone who claims understand the "reality" of war more than I, you seem awfully blase about the reality of death. In ALL of your posts you are more than ready to nuke and kill them, us, anyone, everyone- for your notions. That is the basis for tragedy.
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Originally posted by Hero:
One was a police officer, another a new father, and another a new husband. They had hopes and dreams, they had fears and weaknesses. But to a man they volunteered to serve in a cause they believe. Beliefs you do not share and for that you attack me, and the President and ultimately them. The enemy targets America by attacking her soldiers. You target her soldiers by attacking America. It aint right. Men are dying out there, they deserve better then the likes of you tearing them down from the shadow of the walls they guard.
I had some respect for you Hero, until this post. You are using a tragedy that happened to people in your state to launch a fallacious appeal to emotion to gain moral superiority on a website, and that's pathetic.
Yes, the enemy targets America by attacking her soldiers, that's what people in a war do. That enemy is not us on this board nor is it anyone here at home. Damn right SargeX attacked the Pres, because he's responsible for putting those men in that unnecessary position. Those boys should never have lost their lives, but it sure as hell wasn't anyone on this board's fault, it was the responsibility of the man in charge (he lives in a big white mansion in DC, or on a ranch in Crawford TX, where his kids hang out while other people's kids get shot to bloody hell). So put it on the person responsible, not anyone else.
Your position is that when tragedy strikes, let's not look for answers, let's just jump on the Patriotic Bandwagon and say those who aren't waving flags and screaming for vengeance are un-American. Because having a knee-jerk reaction to world events has gotten us really far already as a country. Grow up, calm down, and use your head next time before you pull a stunt like this. Because that's what it is, a stunt. My town lost soldiers too, but I'll be damned if I'm going to use them in an argument like they were nothing, because that's what you did today. You owe SargeX and the boys from your state an apology.
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If you were here I'd knock you on your ass, but your not so I guess you can go to hell.
He says, after saying that tough guys hide behind computer screens. Real tough guys are taking bullets in places that they don't belong. And son, you aren't one of them.
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He looked bigger when I couldn't see him.
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Hero,
Your post is just opportunistic grandstanding. And, job well done. Spoken like a true politician.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Because having a knee-jerk reaction to world events has gotten us really far already as a country. Grow up, calm down, and use your head next time before you pull a stunt like this. Because that's what it is, a stunt.
Your right. It was a stunt. This morning I dropped off flowers at the 3rd Battalion. Then I came to work and did my job to help run my city in the most professional and deliberate manner possible. In a moment of free time I expressed my feelings in writing in this forum which, despite our obvious differences, I respect and enjoy.
But your right. I knew that the honost and raw emotion would touch nerves. I wrote it from the heart without pause and with regard only to the passion I felt. I read it several times before I clicked the "post" button. Then, knowing the message of love, anger, and frustration would act as a lightning rod for those whose guilt runs so deep I sent it anyway.
That you, all of you, attacked the President was no surprise. You can't swing a dead cat without you guys blaming Bush for it (or something like that). That you included me was surprising.
I'm not rich, I work for the government. I struggle month to month with student loans and car payments. I turned down six figures because I love my job and my City. I do pro-bono work for my Church and volunteer with local charitee events. I'm a patriot. A Browns fan (they always win, I never miss a game, but this is our year). I'm good at my job, I work hard, I'm an informed voter, like you, but my conclusions are different from yours. I believe in fighting terror in Iraq, Afganistan, and yes, if necessary Iran and Syria or anywhere else. I pay my taxes happy in the knowledge that my money goes for ammunition and body armor and firm in my deliberate belief that it does not go for liberal anti-american art projects or to support illegal immigrants. I do not believe the war was for oil nor do I believe the worst of my President or the Army. I live and breath my love of America everyday and I believe its a love the President and I share, and THAT, aside from EVERY other issue ever discussed in 2000 or 2004, is the foundation of why I voted for Bush.
The way I see it your personal attacks on me were not just on me. They are on anyone who, like myself, believes, really believes in what America is doing. And no one believes as much as our soldiers, soldiers like those we lost and soldiers like who have closed the empty ranks.
So go ahead and attack. For my part I apologize about any offense my anger my have caused. My part in all this is to do my job and in my spare time fight with you fine folk over the roundness of the earth and the levity of the sky. Make your attacks then. I'll be here tomorrow to answer you, inflame you, and ultimately convince you (or make you give up). Thats what good lawyers do (Bad lawyer do it to, they just take a higher percentage).
Gotta go, the memorial service starts in an hour. Forgive me if I fail to pass on your regards.
H
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