Kaylee Video link
POSTED BY: ManiacNumberOne
UPDATED: Sunday, November 14, 2004 15:20
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Thanks LJC, I contacted both parties. I hope they are the true fans I believe them to be, and allow me to post their great stuff.
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Who's winning?
I can't really tell, they don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
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Erm, while I don't think being a 'true fan' has a jot to do with allowing their stuff to be mirror'd, but I hope it all works out for all involved...
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Originally posted by LJC:
Erm, while I don't think being a 'true fan' has a jot to do with allowing their stuff to be mirror'd, but I hope it all works out for all involved...B]
I would highly disagree with you. Why make those great video's if not to share them. They are offering them for free on their own sites, so why would they not allow them to be mirrored? There could be a few possible reasons. Note: I don't subscribe to any of these beliefs - they are just possibilities. Reason one is they are not true fans. I don't believe that though, or they probably wouldn't have made them, huh? Second possible reason is that they possibly have something going on the side (with which they make money), on their website, and those free video's bring in needed traffic. If that were the reason, I would fully understand. Third possible reason they might not want me to mirror those video's on another site, (and this one's the worst of all) they didn't actually make them, and don't want to get caught saying they did on multiple websites--cause I would surely reference them as the video's source. Fourth reason, they are greedy with the video's they made and with the access rights to them. They want to get credit instead of sharing the joy of Firefly fandom with others. If that were the reason, I would say they are not true fans.
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Why make those great video's if not to share them. They are offering them for free on their own sites, so why would they not allow them to be mirrored?
Just ask folks FIRST before you mirror their work. It's common courtesy, and has nothing to do with being a "true" anything.
If you love the vidder's work so much, then provide a link to their sites--you just don't go around posting files that aren't yours to post, dong ma? It's not classy, it ain't right, and it sure as heck isn't neighbourly...
Sorry if this ticks you off, but that's just how I see it.
If someone had taken all the fan fiction I'd written and, without my name on it, without my knowledge, or without my consent, posted it on their own website, I'd be raising hell about it. And I don't think that means I'm any less of a "Firefly" fan than I was when I wrote it or uploaded it to my own website. And I don't for a second believe my being upset--were it my creative endeavours at stake here--makes me less of a 'true fan.'
And if anyone thinks different, then please, feel free to speak your piece.
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Thanks Maniacnumberone for quick reply.
I will wait on you to post it on web page mate the download rate on my modem frustrates me even when i wait on webpages it would give me time to download with my cable connection when my vacation ends.
Keep flying
have a good sex
i'll be in my bunk
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Posted by LJC
No offence, but unless these folks have given you permission to mirror their music vids, I'd suggest contacting them and asking, and in the meantime, taking them down... Content theft, even out of ignorance, is the quickest way to get folks hella mad at you...
If you've gotten permissionf rom all the fan vidders already, then of coruse just ignore this. But if you haven't, PLEASE take this to heart and contact them immediately.
LJC, I have to say you are being a bit ridiculous. Nia violated copyright laws by "borrowing" the Firefly clips and the music track. On her site she states, "Disclaimeramo: I do not own the material used to create these fan videos, which are made neither for profit nor infringement."
She did not receive permission from Fox, or the band that created the music soundtrack. She does not give them credit in her videos. She could have created a logo for herself or put her name on the video, but she chose not to.
Maniac has done nothing wrong. Neither has Nia, in my opinion, because she is not trying to make money or claim the material as her own.
Lighten up, eh?
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For those who are interested, the Kaylee music video can be found here:
http://kellystarsigns.com/firefly/index.html
Although I personally think that the River music video at the link LJC posted earlier is the best. "Girl and a gun" indeed! 
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Originally posted by Succatash:
Posted by LJC
LJC, I have to say you are being a bit ridiculous. Nia violated copywrited material by "borrowing" the Firefly clips and the music track. On her site she states, "Disclaimeramo: I do not own the material used to create these fan videos, which are made neither for profit nor infringement."
She did not receive permission from Fox, or the band that created the music. She does not give them credit in her videos. She could have created a logo for herself or put her name on the video, but she chose not to.
Maniac has done nothing wrong. Neither has Nia, in my opinion, because she is not trying to make money or claim the material as her own.
Lighten up, eh?
Succatash and Maniac, while I basically agree with what you are saying it is only right to ask permission. Granted, Nia can't come after you in any legal sense since she infringed on copyrights but I'm sure she would like at least credit for putting them together. The interviews though, that's a little stickier and fox probably won't like an open link to their copyrighted material. Don't get me wrong, I have downloaded all this off the site and appreciate it. Lot easier than Kazaa. Maybe you should at least give credit to everyone involved. As far as the videos they can't do anything, but do you really want to piss off other fans? It's a tough call, try to use your best judgement.
By the way, tommorrow night my mom and dad are watching Serenity with me.
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I'm sure she would like at least credit for putting them together.
I am defending Maniac because LJC threatened him with words like "content theft" and told him to remove the videos if he didn't have permission.
It's almost comic the way LJC tells Maniac how to run his website, quoting copyright infrigement and demanding permission be given from the original author. What a fucking joke.
LJC should have simply provided Maniac with Nia's information. Maniac owns the website and he is very happy to give Nia credit for her wonderful work. He just didn't know; he needed information he didn't have. Accusing him of content theft is ridiculous and very rude. Maniac is SHARING, being nice, just like Nia.
Nia is obviously very good at video editing. It's very common and easy to embed a logo or URL into the video clip. Again, as I said before, Nia obviously chose not to give herself credit.
Videos of this type are meant to be passed around. Maniac is PAYING for bandwidth to allow the sharing of this file. People are downloading it for FREE. He's bending over backwards for the Browncoats, and I can't believe the way people are giving him shit. He does not deserve it.
LJC is full of shit. How can she bully Maniac around saying things like, "Not to mention, music vids (like fanfic) violate copyright."
NIA STOLE THE VIDEO AND THE MUSIC! IT'S JUST TO SHARE BECAUSE WE'RE FANS!
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