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POSTED BY: ManiacNumberOne
UPDATED: Sunday, November 14, 2004 15:20
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Now your comparing yourself to Jesus? How lovely. I'll ignore the personal insults because they're frankly not worth my time.
Your gift to fellow Browncoats is disrespect to a creative fellow fan, rudeness, and a failure to educate yourself on the legal issues, etiquette, and confrontational issues that just happened *yesterday* in this fandom. That's all lovely, too.
Save your money. Don't pay for distribution of fannish work that you didn't create without the permission of the creator(s). How complicated is that?
Honest, kindergarteners are taught May I, Please and Thank You. I find it amazing how many adults forget that.
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elketanzer wrote:
"Your gift to fellow Browncoats is disrespect to a creative fellow fan, rudeness..."
I have given my heart and soul to this cause. I have submitted my own written Firefly stories to this website, and I have made Haken and others laugh out loud more times than you have had sex this year.
You are wrong about me. You are just being a dick, and so are your "friends."
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My sex life is completely none of your business.
I'm glad you've made the mods on this site laugh, because you've also made other fanfiction authors, artists and vidders very upset and angry. You betrayed Nia, not the other way around. In fact, by not listening when people explain truth to you, you are betraying the fan community you believe yourself to be serving.
And now you've reduced yourself to namecalling when I've honestly been trying to explain to you what and why the repercussions of your actions today are and will be.
I'd like to think no one is hopeless, that everyone is capable of understanding these issues, but you are starting to make me question that idea.
Elke
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I like the way you turn a phrase, Elk. You are correct (thankfully), that your sex life is none of my business.
Are you suggesting that there is a new law that will prevent fans from creating artwork like Nia's video?
Or are you suggesting that there is a new law which will prevent me from sharing this "fan artwork" with my friends?
Nia should be allowed to create her videos. She also should be given credit for them. I have never disputed that.
If Firefly fans want to make "art" because they like the show, that's really great. But that is all it is. It's great, and it helps grow the audience. That's what it is all about.
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I'm going to crosspost from the other thread about this, because you still seem to be missing my point.
There are no new laws, but there are existing ones which are pertinent to this discussion. Writers, folks who draw and paint and sculp, vidders... anyone who creates fannish work based on shows or movies whose copyrights and trademarks belong to others... need to be aware of these issues.
*deep breath*
Fanfiction writers, artists and vidders walk a fine line by posting their work on the Internet. Their activities only survive because the copyright and trademark owners are not directly confronted by the infringements.
If the owner of a trademark (either TV show, movie, or music) does not defend their trademark, they can lose it. Defending a trademark means that the owner must actively prosecute anyone who infringes on it, otherwise they are allowing it to become a public property, and are yielding their trademarks, something modern megacorps never want to do.
Just yesterday a well-meaning fan presented a CD of songvids to Nate Fillion, against the expressly stated wishes of at least one of the vidders whose work was on the CD. The fan also intended to give the CD to Joss Whedon, but was stopped in time. This fan apparently never read the requests at the vidders' own websites, though some of the URLs were right in some of the vids. Both the fan and the community where the CDs were suggested and encouraged have since had all of the pertinent issues explained to them, and much hurt feelings were felt all around, both by the well meaning fan and the vidders.
Vidders can only keep from being noticed by lawyers if they can trust other fans to heed their wishes regarding distribution of their songvids.
Otherwise, the vidders risk losing their websites and worse. Cease and Desist orders are darned scary business.
I'm sure you understand how that feels now, even though your site's TOS action doesn't directly involve lawyers at this point.
Please understand that the fan community enjoys the work of many creative fans, who as individuals shoulder a lot of the risk of attracting lawyer-attention. In exchange, the fannish consumers are expected to behave like rational adults, and to understand the issues involved.
If you want to evangelize about your favorite show, that's great, but either do it using your own work, or the work of other fans *who have given you permission* to use theirs.
Do not assume that because a fan has created something and shared it with you that you can do anything you want with it, or the fandom as a whole, the entire community, is harmed.
More information about copyrights and trademarks in regard to fannish vidding, fanfiction and artwork is available... all anyone had to do was talk with any one of the fannish vidders, who were well aware of these issues before creating their vids.
Elke
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I'm picturing a bunch of fat girls waving candy bars, singing "I got to be me."
The only fan artists who are liable are the ones who try to control the way their "borrowed" material is distributed.
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Again, I've not made any judgements about your weight or sex life. I'm trying damned hard to ignore your insults, but this is getting really annoying.
You seem to have no concept whatsoever of the pertinent laws or courtesy issues. Why is that? Are you reading anything at all that I've posted here, or do you just enjoy flying off the handle and insulting me?
No, wait, you don't need to answer that. Your previous posts and behavior illustrate quite clearly how much of a self-centered egotist you are, and how much you enjoy insulting people.
I've tried being rational. I've tried explaining the facts to you. You are choosing to ignore all of that and just go on living in your own little world where you can do anything you want and no one else's thoughts, feelings, or legal situation matter one little bit.
Like I said, such a great show doesn't deserve fans like you.
Elke
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Hey, you just copied this from the other thread. Are you running out of arguments?
Did you get permission to say the same thing twice?
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As I said in the post, I cross-posted from the other thread. You're just noticing this now? Gee, you're quick.
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
Reason one is they are not true fans. I don't believe that though, or they probably wouldn't have made them, huh? Second possible reason is that they possibly have something going on the side (with which they make money), on their website, and those free video's bring in needed traffic. If that were the reason, I would fully understand. Third possible reason they might not want me to mirror those video's on another site, (and this one's the worst of all) they didn't actually make them, and don't want to get caught saying they did on multiple websites--cause I would surely reference them as the video's source. Fourth reason, they are greedy with the video's they made and with the access rights to them. They want to get credit instead of sharing the joy of Firefly fandom with others. If that were the reason, I would say they are not true fans.
None of those reasons, at least for me.
First: It takes several weeks to make a music video - it's a long and -painstaking process. You don't throw one together in a few hours (not and have it be any good). So no person who is not a true fan is going to bother to take that time.
Second: making money off of a music video is vastly illegal and can land you not only with a C&D order, but under arrest and in jail. Any vidder that's making a profit off their videos is in deep deep trouble.
Third: Hey, this happens, but so far not frequently. And I can vouch for the fact that I made my vids, I have the dark circles under my eyes to prove it :)
Fourth: It's just common courtesy to ask first. Like your parents taught you: don't hit, share your toys, ask people before you do something with their stuff :) Just good netiquette.
I've found the majority of FF fans to be great people, kind, respectful. I'm pleased to see that at least you responded by trying to find the contact info to get in touch with the vidders. That's a refreshing change from that "other thread".
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