London terror attacks
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Saturday, July 30, 2005 21:41
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
I assume your joking HK.
'Fraid not, BS. What's funny about it? So to your mind, running from the cops makes you a suspected terrorist. Such a "fool" deserves death. God forbid you should ever find yourself afraid of a cop, BarnStormer.
Your position doesn't make any sense, least of all common. On the one hand we are "all responsible for our own actions," but that somehow doesn't include the police. They are exempt in your view from agency. "If the guy is dead, it's his own doing." WTF? First off, what kind of cowardly phrasology is that? If? Seven bullets in the head says he's dead. Killed by a policeman. Wrongfully. I'm not hanging anything on the officers. "PC spin?" The man's only crimes were his location, the color of his skin and his fear of the police, on the strength of which, he was gunned down. Where's the spin? It's what I would call "brutal but true." To my mind, it takes a whole lot of spin to blame an innocent man shot seven times in the back of the head for his own death!
And for the sake of clarity, I am not blaming the police, they are not to blame, they were simply following procedure to the best of their ability. Their ability fell below the required mark. I'm not surprised. I feel terrible for them. As I've said before, what we're requiring of them is beyond human capacity to execute.
"Guns don't kill people, people--who aren't terrorists and yet run from the cops are too stupid to live and--kill themselves."
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Simple common sense says that if your not a terrorist, it might be very bad for your continued good health to act exactly as a terrorist would during a time of terrorist homicide bombings in you immediate area.
If the guy is dead, it's his own doing. He was apparently a fool. I feel badly for the officers involved in his death, they must feel awful even if it was justified. And for his family of course.
Brutal but true. We are all responsible for our own actions. Putting a PC spin on this to hang it on the law inforcement officers in London is just a bunch of Crap.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
BarnStormer
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And don't ever do anything the slightest bit illegal, so you never have any reason to run from the cops, because all crimes have become punishable by death if you don't submit quietly.
Yep.
Welcome to the human race Chrisisall
Too...much...irony...must...
Chrisisall, what are you talking about here? Is this really what the human race has come to? So Rodney King should count himself lucky?
HKCavalier
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original post by BarnStormer:
I assume your joking HK. Simple common sense says that if your not a terrorist, it might be very bad for your continued good health to act exactly as a terrorist would during a time of terrorist homicide bombings in you immediate area.
Because acting afraid all the time, and changing the way we would normally act is in no way giving the terrorists, or who ever, what they want, and would in no way move our society towards an Orwelian one.
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original post by BarnStormer:
If the guy is dead, it's his own doing. He was apparently a fool. I feel badly for the officers involved in his death, they must feel awful even if it was justified. And for his family of course.
A hypothetical. What if he ran because he had stolen goods, or was a shop lifter? Such a person would likely run from the police, does their crime merit a death sentence?
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields
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I was quoting Snake Plisskin from Escape From LA.
I meant in a cynical way thet you should sometimes expect things to go completely rotten, and worry less about right and wrong, and more about survival.
My martial art background is all about harmony, and sometimes the most harmonious thing you can do is nothing, be still.
And I don't think it's about where we've come to, it's about where we've always been. We just have to try and make the best of it right now.
Rodney King was lucky, lucky that the cops beating him weren't MORE near-psychotic than they were.
Riding the waves, good and bad Chrisisall
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I posted early that Jean Charles de Menezes Visa may have ran out, this now appears to not be the case:
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Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said he understood that the 27-year-old was in the country legally, following speculation that he may have fled because his visa had expired.
http://www.itn.co.uk/news/1280151.html
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Quote:At this particular moment, yes. The same way jumping off a cliff with a sheer 500 foot drop would. It's not about what we want, it's about what can and will happen. It's self defence time. Just know the score, and do what's necessary to protect your life, if that means postphoning your criminal activities for a while, so be it.
Originally posted by citizen:
What if he ran because he had stolen goods, or was a shop lifter? Such a person would likely run from the police, does their crime merit a death sentence?
Sounding far from left here, but not really Chrisisall
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original post by chrisisall:
I meant in a cynical way thet you should sometimes expect things to go completely rotten, and worry less about right and wrong, and more about survival.
I'd argue that when everything goes to hell within a civilized society is when we have to keep a stronger eye on our morality.
Apart from that I agree with what you said.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
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Originally posted by citizen:
I'd argue that when everything goes to hell within a civilized society is when we have to keep a stronger eye on our morality.
Yeah, definitly, I'm just sayin' that first you have to consider staying alive, in order to do anything else. Like they tell you on a plane, put your mask on first, you can't help anyone else if you're passed out.
Survival is job 1 Chrisisall
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original post by chrisisall:
At this particular moment, yes. The same way jumping off a cliff with a sheer 500 foot drop would. It's not about what we want, it's about what can and will happen. It's self defence time. Just know the score, and do what's necessary to protect your life, if that means postphoning your criminal activities for a while, so be it.
The logical implications of your argument are scary. What if the spectre of Terroism never disapears?
A climate of fear is a dangerous thing.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I'd argue that when everything goes to hell within a civilized society is when we have to keep a stronger eye on our morality.
Yeah, definitly, I'm just sayin' that first you have to consider staying alive, in order to do anything else. Like they tell you on a plane, put your mask on first, you can't help anyone else if you're passed out.
Survival is job 1 Chrisisall
I don't know, theres more to life than simple survival.
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields
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