London terror attacks

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CITIZEN

Monday, July 25, 2005 12:04 AM

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original post by Fin mac Cumhal:
Any number of shots, huh? So there’s basically no way, in your view, that the police could have fired any shots without it being labeled murderers or out of control?

I don't believe thats what Ruxton meant, at least thats not how I read it.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

HKCAVALIER

Monday, July 25, 2005 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
original post by Finn mac Cumhal:
Any number of shots, huh? So there’s basically no way, in your view, that the police could have fired any shots without it being labeled murderers or out of control?

I don't believe thats what Ruxton meant, at least thats not how I read it.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

Finn's just being a

. "A number of ______" refers to more than one. The phrasology is a bit old fashioned here in the States, but perfectly understandable to anyone who's not being a

.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, July 25, 2005 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
So we should dismiss out of hand anything the eyewitnesses have to say? This is what we have to go on. But I conceed your point about complete information.
However you should remember that we will never have complete unbiased information.

Complete unbiased information will always be hard to come by, and although I don’t think we should dismiss eyewitness reports, we should be careful that we assign an appropriate degree of credibility to them.

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Originally posted by citizen:
This is true, and if you believe that of my argument, or anyone elses, you will find that most people, including myself are more receptive to a reasonable reasoned argument, than simply being told their wrong, they don't know what their talking about, etc. etc.

Well that’s a good point. Perhaps I was too pointed, but please allow that it wasn’t meant as an insult. I just simply think that you should reevaluate the evidence. I can however be very pointed in my arguments. You’re not the only person to tell me that.

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Originally posted by citizen:
I don't believe thats what Ruxton meant, at least thats not how I read it.

I’m not sure what he meant. It’s entirely possible I misunderstood him.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CITIZEN

Monday, July 25, 2005 5:18 PM

I've just heard from ITN news (on TV) that the coroners court have stated that the man shot dead at stockwell station was shot eight times not five as widely reported, and thoes shots hit once in the shoulder and seven times in the head. I'll post a link when one becomes available.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

RUXTON

Monday, July 25, 2005 6:07 PM

HKCavalier,
Thank you most kindly. It is often extremely difficult to keep one's temper in light of so much confused thinking by those who believe everything they're told by well-dressed TV newspeople, or by some bum in a position of power. But we try.

Citizen, your original comments about SWAT, etc., were perfectly clear.

To clarify, the "cops" who shot the Brazilian man had ample chances to stop him before he got anywhere near the underground. They ought to have apprehended him, not murdered him. Yes, they were out of control at best, and poorly trained as well, which now seems obvious. As I stated before, I suspect the repercussions of that wanton act of murder will be much more severe than seems likely at this time.

CITIZEN

Monday, July 25, 2005 6:14 PM

Article on the shooting, indicating the findings of the coroners court:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13394581,00.html

It appears (at least from ITN and the Headlines of the Evening Standard) that Jean Charles de Menezes's student visa had run out, so he may have been living here illegally, which could be a possible reason as to why he ran from the police.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

HKCAVALIER

Monday, July 25, 2005 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
At this particular moment, I believe it is the DUTY of everyone to NOT behave in a way that will get you shot. Do not wear heavy coats in heat, do not scowl at police officers, do not run in the tube, etc. This might sound like I'm gladly accepting the police state mentality, but no, it's simply being realistic.

Chrisisall

And don't ever do anything the slightest bit illegal, so you never have any reason to run from the cops, because all crimes have become punishable by death if you don't submit quietly.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BARNSTORMER

Monday, July 25, 2005 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
At this particular moment, I believe it is the DUTY of everyone to NOT behave in a way that will get you shot. Do not wear heavy coats in heat, do not scowl at police officers, do not run in the tube, etc. This might sound like I'm gladly accepting the police state mentality, but no, it's simply being realistic.

Chrisisall

And don't ever do anything the slightest bit illegal, so you never have any reason to run from the cops, because all crimes have become punishable by death if you don't submit quietly.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

I assume your joking HK. Simple common sense says that if your not a terrorist, it might be very bad for your continued good health to act exactly as a terrorist would during a time of terrorist homicide bombings in you immediate area.

If the guy is dead, it's his own doing. He was apparently a fool. I feel badly for the officers involved in his death, they must feel awful even if it was justified. And for his family of course.

Brutal but true. We are all responsible for our own actions. Putting a PC spin on this to hang it on the law inforcement officers in London is just a bunch of Crap.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

SUCCATASH

Monday, July 25, 2005 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
We are all responsible for our own actions.

Except for cops and soldiers.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

CHRISISALL

Monday, July 25, 2005 9:10 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And don't ever do anything the slightest bit illegal, so you never have any reason to run from the cops, because all crimes have become punishable by death if you don't submit quietly.

Yep.

Welcome to the human race Chrisisall

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