London terror attacks

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CITIZEN

Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:44 AM

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original post by Ruxton
Musims are PROHIBITED by their belief to commit suicide.

That does not mean they don't. Fantics can 'pick and choose' from their religon, or they can misunderstand the writings of the Qur'an.

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A small minority of Muslims... misunderstand the word shaheed (martyr) when it comes to war and the act of suicide.

http://muttaqun.com/suicide.html

The following quotes from the Qur'an *COULD* be seen as meaning something completly different depending on the mind set of who was reading it:

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*{Nor take life—which God has made sacred—except for just cause.}* (Al-Israa' 17:33)

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*{If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder (without just cause) or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved all mankind.}* (Al-Ma'idah 5:32)

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:13 AM

Let me see if I got this right, the British police are physically and evidently intentionally holding people down and shooting them FIVE TIMES (even though the number of times doesn't matter) in the back of the head, but Islamic terrorists are really okay fellas because the Koran says so.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I was hoping people would avoid in this thread.

The British police do seem to have made an egregious mistake in this matter. It is certainly not the first time mistakes have happened, and it won’t be the last, but I think the Brits need to carefully determine what actually happened. But exiting a suspected terrorist location, with a heavy coat in the middle of summer and running from police towards the subway is probably not the wisest course of action when the Brits are on high alert.

Running from the police at any time is risking getting killed. If nothing else this guy may have been guilty of stupidity.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CITIZEN

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:20 AM

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Islamic terrorists are really okay fellas because the Koran says so.

And where was this said, exactly?

On a lighter note:

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middle of summer

You ain't been to England, have you?

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:21 AM

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Originally posted by citizen:
You ain't been to England, have you?

I have actually, and you guys do have some pretty shitty weather sometimes.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CITIZEN

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:26 AM

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original post by Finn mac Cumhal:
(even though the number of times doesn't matter)

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original post by citizen:
Its the ferocity of the attack thats important, I posted early that the number of shots was not important, but I suppose I was wrong.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:39 AM

How many shots does it take before killing someone isn't ferocious? If the police had only used one bullet, would that have been less ferocious?

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

CITIZEN

Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:25 AM

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original post by Finn mac Cumhal:
How many shots does it take before killing someone isn't ferocious? If the police had only used one bullet, would that have been less ferocious?

Yes. These people are professional marksman who practice constantly. Armed police in this country are a very different thing to the average american cop (bare with me i'm going somewhere with this).
They are trained more to the standard of SWAT teams, and I find it hard to believe that such professionals can see it necessary to put five bullets into the back of someone's head from point blank range.
Using more shots than required in such away says to me a loss of emotional control, which professional police just have to avoid.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

SUCCATASH

Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:31 PM

I thought I'd chime in. I think the way the man was killed is a secondary issue. After he died, he stopped caring about how many times he was shot.

The main issue, as I see it, is that the terrorists are winning. They want to stir up fear and kill innocents? It's working, and now the cops and government are doing their job for them. Everyone is panicked.

Don't look different or strange, or frown at a cop, cuz you might get shot. What a world.

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"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

CITIZEN

Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:37 PM

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original post succatash:
After he died, he stopped caring about how many times he was shot.

I'm sure he did, he's now dead so he doesn't have to deal with the implications. The only person for whom the way he died is a secondary issue is him, IMHO.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:51 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
They are trained more to the standard of SWAT teams, and I find it hard to believe that such professionals can see it necessary to put five bullets into the back of someone's head from point blank range.

I’m sure you do find it hard to believe.

The British police force is not all SWAT teams; in fact most of the standard British police force, with the exception of the Northern Ireland, isn’t even issued firearms. A SWAT team is a paramilitary force more similar to a British SAS team then standard police force. There are certain specialized teams within the British police force, such as the Special Branch, which are issued firearms and are probably trained to be much more aggressive. It is possible that this was the Special Branch.

But the fact that this may have been a special ops unit of the London police doesn’t mean they are going to use one well placed bullet to the head. This isn’t the movies. They will do what they feel they need to do to neutralize their target as quickly as possible, whether it is terrorist related or not.

You seem to want to portray the British police as a bunch of reckless cops out to commit summary execution, while at the same time you’re splitting hairs on the Koran. In other words, wild speculation and fruitcakey conspiracy theories. Unless you were there you don’t know what actually happened, so your assessment that the police held this guy down and shot him five times in the back of the head is as likely nonsense then any knowledgeable assessment of the event. But still you capitalize in bold the number of shots the media says were fired, completely unaware of what it actually means to fire those shots, and evidently uninformed of your own police force.

You really need to gain some useful information and perspective.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

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