ALL ENGLAND BROWNCOATS SOUND OFF!!!!!!

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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 09:54
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ALANFRANCIS

Friday, July 8, 2005 1:43 PM

I hope everyone's friends and family are unharmed.

My parents were to be in London on the 7th of July, so I'm lucky they didn't go.

I'm glad to hear your OK heb.

For anyone that is affected by this tragedy, just remember, your not alone. You have many a browncoat to take comfort in.

AIM: alantfrancis
Email: alan.t.francis@gmail.com

Keep flyin'

ZOID

Friday, July 8, 2005 2:15 PM

Have we heard from all of London's Browncoat Regulars yet? Seems a pretty sparse response from what I assumed to be a largish community (say, 10 times the number of replies thus far). Still, I suppose many have other more pressing things to attend to than a discussion group...

Let's keep it bumped though, until all are accounted for, 'right?

My wife, who is English, has family who until recently were Londoners. They are all fine, and have survived The Blitz and various other subsequent attacks on civilian targets in that city, until the last remnants finally retired to the Suffolk countryside last year. In the not too distant future, the last of her family tree will disappear from England -- the offspring having moved to New Zealand and the US -- and that is a grievous shame, imo.

British resolve -- and particularly English resolve -- has not gained its reknown falsely. I may be a lowly mongrel Yank, but I remember that this one, small, weather-beaten isle once stood alone against the concerted might of one of the most fearsome war machines ever assembled, and has a collective Will of iron. Whoever has perpetrated this crime really should have done a better job reading and comprehending their history texts. I suspect they have made (to paraphrase Mercutio) a grave mistake...

Sentiments of 'getting your own back' possibly, at some future date, once the dead have been buried, the injured tended, and the perpetrators positively identified. The silly sods'll probably get around to incriminating themselves, er, 'claiming their victory' within the next couple of days, via taped message from a rat's hole in Afghanistan (or Paris), the morons...

Respectfully,

zoid

P.S.
Exactly how stupid -- beyond simply brainwashed and insular -- does one have to be in order to think that such acts of terrorism against civilian targets are bringing the world to a proper relationship with Allah? Or is it just the fun of killing defenseless people? ("See how the grandmother and baby explode? Jolly good!") I'm probably missing the terrorists'/freedom fighters'/jihadin's delicate philosophical point entirely, but that's what it boils down to for a common man like me.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
God Bless the Unflappable Brits.

Explosions for breakfast, followed by noon-time tea.

There is no better way to give the to the heinous purpetrators than to go on with your lives, while quietly investigating and hunting them down behind the scenes.

Congrats. You folks have been doing this for much longer than us, and it shows.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

I like that one.

Still bumping, just to make sure everyone's been accounted for.

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BARNEYT

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:10 PM

Thanks everyone! I don't live in London but my sister does - she and all of her friends are fine, thank goodness.

All my hopes to the injured.

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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:
British resolve -- and particularly English resolve -- has not gained its reknown falsely. I may be a lowly mongrel Yank, but I remember that this one, small, weather-beaten isle once stood alone against the concerted might of one of the most fearsome war machines ever assembled, and has a collective Will of iron. Whoever has perpetrated this crime really should have done a better job reading and comprehending their history texts. I suspect they have made (to paraphrase Mercutio) a grave mistake...

Judging from Tony Blair's expression during his comments yesterday, I would have to agree.

Quote:
Exactly how stupid -- beyond simply brainwashed and insular -- does one have to be in order to think that such acts of terrorism against civilian targets are bringing the world to a proper relationship with Allah? Or is it just the fun of killing defenseless people? ("See how the grandmother and baby explode? Jolly good!") I'm probably missing the terrorists'/freedom fighters'/jihadin's delicate philosophical point entirely, but that's what it boils down to for a common man like me.

I haven't noticed that "WWMD" is used in the same context that we would say "WWJD", but that doesn't mean it isn't. Although it does seem unfathomable that a relationship with one's God would warrant this kind of atrocity, there are Christians with some funny ideas on how to serve their faith... for instance:

Let's not forget what pro-life activists can do in pursuit of their cause. Never fails to amaze me that a group that believes in the preservation of all human life can justify getting their point across by setting off a bomb in a clinic.

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SIMONWHO

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

There is no better way to give the to the heinous purpetrators than to go on with your lives, while quietly investigating and hunting them down behind the scenes.

Terribly sorry old bean but that's not quite how we do things over here. It's more like this:

It's just one of our little traditions, ask your local Frenchman why.

JILLFOX22

Friday, July 8, 2005 4:39 PM

I'm good, wasn't in London myself but had a few mates there. They've all checked in safe, thankfully.

PHAEDRA

Friday, July 8, 2005 5:30 PM

**Bump**

I've been a New Yorker for 10 years now and was standing on the street when the World Trade Center building came down. Oddly enough, it was a mixed blessing. It was my first year in law school and I made some of my best friends over the next couple of days (mainly because I was housing a bunch of people whose apartments were in the blast zone). I guess what I'm trying to say is that now is the time to be with those that you love and/or find someone new to love. My prayers are with all of you, to call this a terrible tragedy doesn't encompass the plethora of feelings you must be experiencing. For what its worth, my prayers and thoughts are with you.

Phaedra (a bad luck name)

ZOID

Friday, July 8, 2005 5:40 PM

Channy:

Ah, religion! I honestly thought of including every group that engages in killing non-combatants to advance its ideological goals, i.e., American Separatists (OKC bombing), IRA, etc.; but I felt it would only lengthen my already over-wordy post.

As to your example, I don't consider 'pro-life' Christians who kill (or endorse the same) in the name of God, to be Christians at all. From Matthew 26: 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus [Simon Peter, according to John 18:10] stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant [named Malchus, ibid] of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. ...Luke 22 has it thus: 49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

I think a true Christian's mandate is clear: killing in the name of the Lord is in contradiction to the words and deeds of Jesus, and antithetical to the basis of our belief.

I'll then take it to the nth degree and say that these men -- whether they are IRA, American Separatists, jihadin, radical pro-lifers, or whatever group that fear they are losing their grip on perceived dominance -- are simply murderous criminals and cowards. There is nothing noble about them, and all their protestations to the contrary are lies of varying cleverness and subtlety. None of them represent any group of sane people, regardless of race, religion, sex or creed...

See? I told you it made the post wordier. Also, while I figured I was skating the thin ice of appropriateness with the previous post by even mentioning the possible assailants, their motives, and the possible reaction of the British "collective Will", I reckon this post has taken it much further than just about anybody will be comfortable with.

But, that's the joy of being a "lowly mongrel Yank" (and a Texican to boot). We just don't give a damn if we cross the line. I wasn't gonna say any of that, but you brought it up and it needed to be said in any case...

Insensitively (or 'American-ly'),

zoid
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CHANNAIN

Friday, July 8, 2005 6:37 PM

Zoid -

It was not my intention to "bring up" anything that would hyjack this post for a discussion on religiosity. I wrote a pretty lengthy response and posted it, then thought better of it and took it down.

This is not the place for the kind of discussion we almost had. This is for the England Browncoats, so we can hear from them and know they're okay.

Zoid, if you'd like to find out what I wrote, I'll send it to you--from one Lowly Mongrel Yank to another (don't let the avatar fool you).

Meanwhile, I'm just glad we're getting the responses trickling in ever so slowly.

Channain

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