Burning the flag is illegal: a constitutional amendment
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, July 2, 2005 02:01
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Quote:Yes, I got that part, but that’s not what you said. I don't doubt that the minority opinion is at greater risk of being suppressed. But the so-called “tyranny of the majority” is only a risk in democratic, “majority rule” societies. Tyranny of the minority is far worse and, traditionally, far more common. That’s the reason the founding fathers made us a democratic system in the first place, to get away from the tyranny of the minority. Free speech doesn’t only matter when the minority opinion is threatened, and a majority does not guarantee that an opinion will be protected. To say that the minority opinion is the only thing that matters is to say that you believe that the majority opinion doesn't matter; suggesting that suppressing the majority opinion is okay. When I asked you some questions to clarify your point, you became evasive. So perhaps you see my confusion?
Originally posted by perfessergee:
Freedom of speech is important for everyone, majority, minority, or even split. And nobody's version is more "important" than anyone else's (well, unless it's mine of course! - that's a joke folks). That's not the point at all.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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I have to confess that I'm completely flabbergasted by this reply to my earlier post. I really wouldn't have thought that there could be anyone who lived in a democratic or republican society who didn't understand that the very notion of "freedom of speech" ONLY pertains to free societies.
Only those who have taken total leave of their senses could argue that a Tyranny of the Minority is a danger to any kind of "popular-rule" society.
Yes, non-free societies suppress majority thought, as well as minority thought. Oh damn, could it be that they suppress thought and expression in general? (Is this less obvious than it appears to me and my feeble brain?).
I guess I have to shout again: NO SOCIETY CAN CLAIM TO SUPPORT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION UNLESS IT SUPPORTS THE EXRESSION OF MINORITY OPINIONS.
Is this really so difficult to understand? I hope not...........
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Yes, I got that part, but that’s not what you said. I don't doubt that the minority opinion is at greater risk of being suppressed. But the so-called “tyranny of the majority” is only a risk in democratic, “majority rule” societies. Tyranny of the minority is far worse and, traditionally, far more common. That’s the reason the founding fathers made us a democratic system in the first place, to get away from the tyranny of the minority. Free speech doesn’t only matter when the minority opinion is threatened, and a majority does not guarantee that an opinion will be protected. To say that the minority opinion is the only thing that matters is to say that you believe that the majority opinion doesn't matter; suggesting that suppressing the majority opinion is okay. When I asked you some questions to clarify your point, you became evasive. So perhaps you see my confusion?
Originally posted by perfessergee:
Freedom of speech is important for everyone, majority, minority, or even split. And nobody's version is more "important" than anyone else's (well, unless it's mine of course! - that's a joke folks). That's not the point at all.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
perfessergee
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Quote:Ah, you’re a condescending prick, how cute! You must be so impressed with yourself! Do you just not want to answer the question or are you just too dumb to know what I’m talking about? Evidently, you don’t even know what you’re talking about, since you can’t even repeat yourself with any degree of consistency.
Originally posted by perfessergee:
I have to confess that I'm completely flabbergasted by this reply to my earlier post. I really wouldn't have thought that there could be anyone who lived in a democratic or republican society who didn't understand that the very notion of "freedom of speech" ONLY pertains to free societies.
Maybe you think this is funny or you’re twelve, I don’t know, but clearly you’re wasting my time.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Thanks for raising the level of discourse! Nothing like a bit of name-calling to clarify one's reasoning. Finn, you and I appear to use logic in distinctly different ways, and I have to confess that, despite considerable training and experience, yours plumb evades me (to borrow a line from Jimmy Buffett). And au contraire, I haven't been wasting your time, I've clearly been wasting my own arguing with you, a practice I intend to cease.
'Nuff said......
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Ah, you’re a condescending prick, how cute! You must be so impressed with yourself! Do you just not want to answer the question or are you just too dumb to know what I’m talking about? Evidently, you don’t even know what you’re talking about, since you can’t even repeat yourself with any degree of consistency.
Originally posted by perfessergee:
I have to confess that I'm completely flabbergasted by this reply to my earlier post. I really wouldn't have thought that there could be anyone who lived in a democratic or republican society who didn't understand that the very notion of "freedom of speech" ONLY pertains to free societies.
Maybe you think this is funny or you’re twelve, I don’t know, but clearly you’re wasting my time.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
perfessergee
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Finn I agree with you on political matters. But as frustrating as you feel someone is. Going off like this is not the best way to go.
TANSTAAFL
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You’re right. It was terribly unproductive of me. It’s been a bad week. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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