Burning the flag is illegal: a constitutional amendment

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, July 2, 2005 02:01
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SERGEANTX

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:44 PM

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Originally posted by Opus:
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Guess I'm just wondering why that makes it ok. Plus, I don't see any other parties doing it, besides the republicrats. You might argue that the only reason for that is that the other parties aren't in power, but why should would put up with it at all? Why don't we ask for more?

Didn't say it was OK, just that that is the way it is and always has been.
As for other parties doing it, how about Rangel proposing to reinstitute the draft, a bill he knew wouldn't pass. The Dems opposing judicial nominations for purely political reasons, and Howard Deans recent remarks...well it could go on and on. It really has nothing to do if a party is in power or not.

Guess I wasn't clear. By 'republicrats' I mean the one party system consisting of 'republican' conmen and 'democrat' conmen. I'm drawing no distinction between the two flavors. I'm asking why we keep supporting this nonsense.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

OPUS

Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:09 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:

Guess I wasn't clear. By 'republicrats' I mean the one party system consisting of 'republican' conmen and 'democrat' conmen. I'm drawing no distinction between the two flavors. I'm asking why we keep supporting this nonsense.

As opposed to what?

SERGEANTX

Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:12 PM

Well, how about NOT nonsense?

All it takes is a simple refusal to mark the little box next to the major parties' candidates. Unfortunately, most people are just too numb to realize they have a choice, or just don't care. I guess. I really don't understand why they'd keep going back for more.

I'm not saying there are no major party candidates worth voting for, but most of them, the presidential candidates in particular, are just a joke. You're right to point out it's been like this for a long time. And it's going to remain that way until we wake up and quit playing along.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:59 PM

Burning a flag in public should get you a fine for having an open fire outside of a grill or other place fires normally are used.
Bernard Ghetts ( admittedly a little wacky ) should have gotten a fine for public posession of an unliscensed weapon.
Bush lying about the detection of phantom WMD's should get him impeached.
OJ should be behind bars.

But let's not punish crimes with logical consequences, now.

'In God we trust' is printed on what really matters most, after all. Logical consequences don't pay well.

Cynical Chrisisall

GEEZER

Monday, June 27, 2005 2:25 AM

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Originally posted by Opus:
So you're willing to fight and die for the rights of Nambla, a pedophile organization who publish a book entitled "Rape and Escape"? The book tells how to lure, befriend and rape a child, then escape detection and or prosecution.

As for me - Yes. Information is not action. If someone tries to actually do this sort of stuff, hang them out to dry. But if you can ban this book, what happens if the majority decides to ban books about safe sex, or contraception...or how to make home brew, or reload ammunition in your basement, or grow pot in your basement, or set up a grassroots organization to protest government actions, or raise funds for third parties, etc. etc. etc. It's that old slippery slope.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

G1223

Monday, June 27, 2005 2:48 AM

While I dislike this law I really dislike those who do burn the flag. I feel that while not excusable. I think anyone who sets the flag on fire takes their life into their own hands. And what happens happens.

SERGEANTX

Monday, June 27, 2005 3:49 AM

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Originally posted by G1223:
While I dislike this law I really dislike those who do burn the flag. I feel that while not excusable. I think anyone who sets the flag on fire takes their life into their own hands. And what happens happens.

What are you trying to say?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

G1223

Monday, June 27, 2005 4:58 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
[What are you trying to say?
SergeantX

That anyone who burns the flag should expect that other people are not going to be accepting the form of their free speech. That their reaction to the protesting action might be physical in nature rather than a spirited debate.

I personally if on the jury of such a case might find it hard to convict a person of assault.(Not murder or attempted murder just assault)

The folks making these protests seem from my point of view wish to offend people and that act has consiquinces.

But I agree a law such as this could be used to shutdown some forms of free speech.

TANSTAAFL

SERGEANTX

Monday, June 27, 2005 5:14 AM

So why not go ahead and support the amendment? It sounds like you're admitting a preference to vigilante justice. I mean, you either think they have a right do it, and ought to be left alone, or you don't, right?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

G1223

Monday, June 27, 2005 5:25 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
So why not go ahead and support the amendment? It sounds like you're admitting a preference to vigilante justice. I mean, you either think they have a right do it, and ought to be left alone, or you don't, right?

SergeantX

If I was to take an action which is done to pick a fight with someone I would have to accept that my actions got me attacked. If I am accepting such an outcome for myself why not for others.

Burning the flag is not something that is going to open debate about poltical actions. It is going to shut it down.

Now as to the constitution. I do not support making it a document for direct social engineering. I do not favor making drugs legal or illegal thru it(Even when the drug is booze).

It is why I use TANSTAAFL for my signature because some of the folks who do burn the flag are expecting a free lunch out of the deal.

TANSTAAFL

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