If you could change 3 things about Buffy season 7

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JUTIN77

Friday, June 24, 2005 3:52 AM

posting in this thread earns you a firey coal for a chair in your own special hell...

GROUNDED

Friday, June 24, 2005 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by batmarlowe:
Well, we split on this one, Grounded. Season 5 comes in at number 3 for me (after 3 and 2). You wanna do a Season full of pain? Season 5 is how you do it.

I didn't think it was bad as a whole, I just thought there were so many weak episodes wrapped inside an uninspiring arc. There are maybe 7 eps at most that I'd willingly rewatch.

NUMEROCINCUENTAUNO

Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:33 AM

Sad that (unless I missed it) no one wants to suggest that the #1 change they would have liked to see in Season Seven is that it would be followed by a Season Eight. That in itself might have avoided some problems, like the casting call for Potential stars for the spin-off.

Number 2, I would have liked to see a better villain with a scarier agenda. On the face of it, we are back to where the story began: the last shall be (The) First. It takes a credible opponent to make the heroes heroic.

At times it was a neat idea to allow the First to take the form of all the other Big Bads (all presumably aspects of the First), and spending most of the end in the form of Buffy (we have met the enemy and they are us), but the writers spent so much time on misdirection that it ended up as simply confusing and shapeless. At the end, we find out that their master plan is to build an army to control the world. These beings are the ultimate, undying evil, and the worst you can say about them is that they are Republicans?

(However, Nathan Fillion was easily the scariest minion in the Buffyverse.)

Lastly, there is no doubt that S7 became rather dense in the number of characters sharing the precious 44 minutes a week. For fans, throwing in a scene between Faith and the Mayor resonated immediately, but left less dedicated watchers confused. I think it is a testament to the richness of the Buffyverse that the writers did a pretty good job of keeping the secondary characters alive while focusing on the main relationship (in my mind, Buffy and Spike), but the strain clearly showed. The comments from various people who would like to have seen more of X, Y, or Z simply indicate that there was a lot more story potential in the framework.

SPACECOWGIRL

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:39 AM

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Sad that (unless I missed it) no one wants to suggest that the #1 change they would have liked to see in Season Seven is that it would be followed by a Season Eight.

Much as I love BTVS I think it was time to wrap it up at Season 7, unlike Angel, Firefly, & even Joan of Arcadia--all of which had a lot more story to tell but were cancelled prematurely.
Sometimes flawed, mostly brilliant, BTVS is probably my all time favorite show & I'm so thankful that DVDs exist.

I aim to misbehave.

BOBTAYLOR

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:11 AM

1. Eliminate the first third of the potentials.
2. Eliminate the second third of the potentials.
3. Eliminate the third third of the potentials.

They were a concept that just never worked until the series finale. And thematically making sense for one hour does not justify 20-odd episodes of general uncomfortableness over the lack of screen time for characters we love.

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OPPYH

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:07 AM

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Originally posted by NumeroCincuentaUno:
The comments from various people who would like to have seen more of X, Y, or Z simply indicate that there was a lot more story potential in the framework.

Exactly right. Buffy the Vampire Slayer was an amazing show. I didn't hate season 7 at all, but when you care about something to this degree you start thinking of ways it could have been perfect. If it was everyone's idea of perfect, I guess that would be sort of scary.

VLAD

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by GWEK:
1) A little less talk, a little more action, please. There was a lot of pretty speechifying about how it's time to fight to the bitter end blah blah blah, which was often followed up with MORE talk rather than actually fighting.

2) No Angel in the finale. He's shoehorned in there and they could've come up with another bridge to get Spike onto the other show. I think the pacing of the season would've been better served by Angel coming in earlier, to help fight the uber-vamp.

3) No Caleb. As I understand it, Caleb was an add-on part written for Nathan Fillion after "Firefly" was cancelled. My impression is that, without the introduction of Caleb, Wood might've become the First's "hand", which I think would've been a more interesting arc. Don't get me wrong, it was fun to see Fillion all morbid and creepifying, but I thought Wood was a character with great potential who was largely wasted in the third act of the season.

Honorable mention: Better death scene for Anya. I thought they did the best they could with the time alloted, but she was such an important character throughout the series that I thought she deserved a little more attention.

As an aside, I am, apparently, the only Buffy fan who liked Kennedy.

That makes two of us. *laugh* Think of it more as an exclusive club. A VERY exclusive club.

Vlad

GWEK

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:49 PM

I agree and actually liked season 7 a lot, although I have to admit I enjoyed it much more when I watched it over the course of a week on DVD rather than over the course of a a season on TV. But that's the way all Whedon-TV should be watched (essentially as a 15-20 hour movie).

I put seasons 6 and 7 up near the top (although 2 is my favorite), with 4 at the definite bottom. If we were talking about changes for a season, I think I'd need more than 3 slots for season 4...

ZOOT

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by GWEK:
I agree and actually liked season 7 a lot, although I have to admit I enjoyed it much more when I watched it over the course of a week on DVD rather than over the course of a a season on TV. But that's the way all Whedon-TV should be watched (essentially as a 15-20 hour movie).

I put seasons 6 and 7 up near the top (although 2 is my favorite), with 4 at the definite bottom. If we were talking about changes for a season, I think I'd need more than 3 slots for season 4...

That's so weird! Have read loads of different sites and everyone hates Buffy season 4 - but bizarrely I think that’s my favourite! I just can’t understand why people hated it!!! Season 5 is a low, low point for me …..

Come on now guys, someone else out there must like season 4 too – I mean we are talking such episodes as Fear Itself, Laving Conditions, A New Man and Pangs – not to mention the superlative episodes: Something Blue, Hush and Superstar … but maybe its just me …. Perhaps I should start a new thread – “Why I like Buffy Season 4 and am just so gorram weird”!!

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GWEK

Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:05 PM

I agree that season 4 has some great episodes, but I think it has one of the weakest overall story arcs. I thought there was a lot of potential and a lot of good ideas, but, for me, it didn't gel as much as many of the other seasons.

Plus, I think Adam (although a great concept), looks silly. :)

I know where you're coming from, though, since I feel like I'm in the minority for liking season 6.

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