The Downing Street Memo: Just another empty Anti-War Leftist canard

POSTED BY: lynchaj
UPDATED: Sunday, June 19, 2005 09:05
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TALLGRRL

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 8:56 PM

hmmm....there's a MEMO containing the minutes of a meeting.
it's not someone's opinion, jackass.
IT'S THE FREEKING MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
Put down the Kool-Aid.
Get up off of your ass.
Go to a mirror.
Look at yourself and say outloud:
I was LIED to.
I have been LIED to OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
I wanted to believe what I was told.
Yes, I am embarassed. But facts are facts, and facts will not hurt me.
IF I'M WRONG, I WILL NOT DIE.
Now go READ the memo: http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

"Take me, sir. Take me hard." -- Zoe

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 9:15 PM

Conner- I am so sorry to hear about your friend. I feel, in a general way, the the military has been shamefully abused by the Bush administration by being sent into Iraq for.... what?? But when a friend comes back in a wheelchair, it's no longer general- it becomes deeply, personally pain-filled. In place of the GWB administration, which will never own up to their arrogance and greed, and in place of the Democrats who (mostly) took the spineless route, I offer my humble gratitude, sympathy, and deepest apologies to your friend.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lynchaj:
...Do you have any thing relevant to the topic?

Andrew Lynch

Do you?

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:11 PM

You mean, do I have anything relevant to add to the topic? Above and beyond all the points I made in the previous threads? Nope. Why should I re-iterate my comments? But thanks for bringing up the previous thread, since that will allow people to read my comments in full. So, for those who want to read the back story, as it were, here it is

Bush LIED about WMD (posted by SignyM)
www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=10019

WMD in Iraq? Nah, nothing to see here, move along...(Posted by Lynch)
www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=10493

What We Do With Despots (posted by SignyM)
www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=9154

You missed a few links. I'll try to dig them up later.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:18 PM

Quote:
The people of the world should recognise the role of the US Armed Forces and their voluntary PERSONAL contributions to keep the world safe from maniacal despots with WMD.

Starting with Bush, which is why he tried to cut veteran's benefits, I guess.

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:51 PM

LOL

I thought I was pretty clear originally. It's horseshit. 100% unadulterated horseshit. Each side is playing off the other side trying to gain points, if you will, with the braindead populus (Myself included).

The memo is what it is. If you think it doesn't make total sense, well in the proverbial words of Bill Engvall: " Here's your sign"

It's pretty obvious now, Cheney and the founding fathers of PNAC wanted into Baghdad more then any other place on earth. To the point that intelligence was conveniently manipulated to meet those guidelines, with the hopes that we would win so fast and the Iraqis would bathe us in their cheers of undying gratitude that noone would care that there weren't WMDs anymore. They figured sentiment was high still regarding 9/11 (rightfully so) that they could play the terrorism card and get away with it.

GW fell for it (Though he may have been in on it..I'm suspicious though..he's not a PNAC member and the whole nukular thing). Powell fell for it. I think he values his reputation too much to have blatantly lied to the UN.

Nah..it makes total sense.

Don't get me wrong, I think those countries who fought against going into Iraq were against it for strictly greedy reasons ( Oil for Food Kickbacks etc..etc..). Those who went with us were in it for strictly Greed. As a Barry Goldwater Libertarian, I would think you would be sick of the out of control spending of the Administration and our Government as a whole over the last 5 years. The Iraq war being the biggest expenditure. It'd be hard to imagine how far we could go in AIDs relief and research with the money that was spent. /boggles the mind

No sane person who actually reads, or follows the news and can rub a couple brain cells together occasionally can still believe that we weren't bamboozled.

It's all bullshit. LOL. I hope I clarified it. The rest is answering questions posed to me or making statements that to me seem to have much more importance LOL.

PS: It's not up to us to free the world. It's up to us to figure out how the hell we can coexist peacefully, without giving up our sovereignty. The world doesn't appear to care about the sacrifices of our men and women. Hell we can't get the media to recognize that.

DARKJESTER

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:59 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I see this whole "discussion" as yet another person posting something somewhat inflamatory (though the main source is written by someone else), then virtually puffing up their chest and daring anyone to try to prove them wrong. I occasionally check out the "political" threads, and just often enough I am surprised by intelligent and thoughtful discussion. But not this time.

I'm not disagreeing with lynchaj's point (necessarily), only with the predictable way his points are being presented; in broad, sweeping (and partisan) language, leading to quibbling about the meaning of words used. That's not debate or discussion, that's bickering.

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

HKCAVALIER

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lynchaj:
...Respectfully, I disagree. The previous thread on the TDM was so horribly slanted as to be not salvagable.

This thread is its exact opposite number.

Did you make the same complaints about fairness in that thread or do you save your complaints about fairness only for those threads which reflect an obvious conservative bias?

Think about it.

Andrew Lynch

"Fairness?" What made you think I was talking about fairness? Seriously, where did you get that? Your response bares only the vaguest relationship to what I actually wrote. Seriously, Lynch, read. Just read something without thinking that your bizarre assuptions are part of the text.

I'm not complaining about you being unfair, I'm complaining about you being an ill-mannered jerk (remember Ghoulman? I told him more than once to mellow out and he at least knew that's what I was doing!). I was amusing myself with the "ad hominem" remark because that term is only meaningful in a debate and I am not debating with you, Lynch. I'm not posting in your thread to debate with you. I'm posting in your thread to tell you to knock it off.

As a concerned member of this community I request that you cut to your last post now, you've proven your point, those who disagree with you are irrational and hopelessly biased, now go back to lurking for another year or so, k?

And don't tell me I'm censoring you because of your opinions, I have no problem with the likes of Geezer and Hero and all the other right-leaning members of this community posting, I've learned a thing or two from those folks. The whole reason you posted this thread was to bait SignyM, and that stinks.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lynchaj:
Why yes, thank you for asking. The TDM is being falsely portrayed as a "smoking gun" piece of evidence that the US commited wrong doing prior to the war. That is factually incorrect and widely known yet it is still being carried about as meaningful.

I hadn't seen it til just now. I came away with somewhat the same impression. I do think it carries some significance, but not in the way the press is insinuating. From my reading 'fixed' didn't mean 'tampering' or 'rigging', but merely 'tightly focused' or 'steadily aiming' at a target. This does show that the administration was determined to find reason to go to war with Iraq. But that's not exactly news.

I agree the press hububb over this is kind of pointless. The people who have been paying attention know this stuff already, and the rest aren't going to be convinced by, well by much of anything, but definitely not by a memo.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 11:08 PM

Dude, your thread has been taken over by the Excellent ConnorFlynn, the Non-Bogus SignyM, and Bodacious SergeantX; the facts, firepower and brains of them combined mean one thing...
you lose.
*hands Andrew an ice bag* Here, this is for what HK did to ya.

They said it all Chrisisall

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