Is this a Sith plot hole? *spoliers for SW*
POSTED BY: Starrbaby
UPDATED: Friday, June 3, 2005 20:21
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Quote:Heh, yeah, 'cause if I'm building a planet-sized space station that I plan to live/work on, whose predecessor was blown up by two torpedoes, I'd take shortcuts too.
Originally posted by GWEK:
And, let's be honest, anyone who's ever built a model, put together a puzzle, etc, knows that the second one is easier than the first because you know shortcuts and tricks that didn't exist before.
Of course, this is the same empire that produces TIE fighters held together by paint and Stormtrooper helmets that people can't see through. . .
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I don't mean short cuts like going the cheap route (although, let's be honest, everything is crappy loooking in Eps IV-VI because it's being built by the lowest bidder on military contracts), but that there are probably a number of false starts with the first one that would allow them to learn lessons to more quickly produce additional ones. If you build a model car, when you build the second one, you already know what tools you're going to need, and will have better ideas about how to do things. In all likelihood, those shortcuts will produce a BETTER model.
Having said that, though, it doesn't seem to me that Palpatine exactly cares about, you know, ANYONE who serves him, so I could see him ordering them to ignore all safetly codes.
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Originally posted by Flechette:
If Leia can somehow, thru the Force or "genetic memory" inherit the bad donut hairdo - I really don't have much of a problem w/ her gaining images of Padme thru the same route
LOL! I so totally agree with the bad donut hairdo through genetics comment.
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Originally posted by GWEK:
Having said that, though, it doesn't seem to me that Palpatine exactly cares about, you know, ANYONE who serves him, so I could see him ordering them to ignore all safetly codes.
In one of the stories presented in the Star Wars Tales comic, a design committee for the Death Star meets with the Emperor. He asks why there are all these bottomless openings and no safety rails. One of the Imperial designers tells him the addition of safety rails would produce a 36% cost increase. The Emperor decides he'll just be extra careful when walking around.
I have also been thinking about the whole 20 years for DS1, 4 years for DS2 debate even before it came up on this thread, and I have to agree with whoever made the supposition that perhaps DS2 was started years before we even saw the DS1 in EPIV. After all, it's a pretty big galaxy. Palpatine probably figured he would need more than one Death Star to keep everyone in line. For all we know, perhaps there is a DS3 only 1/4 complete somewhere hidden in some far off solar system at the end of RotJ?
Or there is that other explaination. It was in the script, so that made it so.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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As Luke is about to tell Leia that they are brother and sister, it seems perfectly reasonable that he's trying to inquire about THEIR mother, not her adoptive one. That's how I see it.
But that's just the thing, questions don't get the right answers just because the one asking the question knows what he's talking about. Luke was "about" to tell Leia they were brother and sister. Then, he asks about her mother. Does she know that he's going to be bringing up someone they never met? No. She answers the question as she sees it, about the mother who she knew.
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Argh...but Luke specifically asks about your "real" mother, which to me clearly implies that Leia was aware of more than one - her birth mother and her adoptive mother (for her sake I hope there's not a third option). Sorry, but the scene made perfect sense viewing it for the first time in ROTJ.
Point of interest, the "Art of Return of the Sith" includes concept drawings of Padme, alive and well with her babies.
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Here is the best explination i have come across for all the inconsistancies (sp?)in the whole starwars 'verse.
in the "making of RETURN OF THE SITH" book, George Lucas is quoted as saying " Continuity is for whimps!"
...May have been the losing side, Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
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Let's see. Luke explicitly asks about her real mother, Leia has vague memories. No problem there. Luke NOT having them is making it obvious to me that at this point Lucas wasn't thinking about killing their mother that early. For some reason he wanted to show it on screen and screwed continuity (again).
But come on, we have Padme revealing her pregnancy and just days later she has huge belly. Also, Ep3 completely screwed up 5 and 6 for any future generations watching them in order. There won't be shock about Vader turning out to be Anakin or Leia being Lukes sister. The last thing we should have seen is Anakins burning body, a pregnant Padme (without knowing it's twins) and a mysterious new Sith replacing Dooku.
That way when Obi Wan claims that Vader killed Anakin the obvious conclusion would be, that he didn't want to say "your father is toast because I chopped off that bastards legs and arm and left him burning to a crisp at some lava river".
But then, by the time someone young enough could start watching them in order, Lucas will have made 5 more "very special" editions and "prequeled" the old movies to the point where no fan would go near them. Lucas and severe limitations -> genius, Lucas "imagination" running amok unhindered -> utter crap. Who else would turn Yoda into a Gummi Bear and then move on to turn half the Jedi into lightsaber weilding cgi pinballs bouncing all over the frame *sigh*.
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Originally posted by Jared:
But come on, we have Padme revealing her pregnancy and just days later she has huge belly.
Months later would be the conclusion.
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Originally posted by Jared:
Let's see. Luke explicitly asks about her real mother, Leia has vague memories. No problem there. Luke NOT having them is making it obvious to me that at this point Lucas wasn't thinking about killing their mother that early. For some reason he wanted to show it on screen and screwed continuity (again).
But come on, we have Padme revealing her pregnancy and just days later she has huge belly. Also, Ep3 completely screwed up 5 and 6 for any future generations watching them in order. There won't be shock about Vader turning out to be Anakin or Leia being Lukes sister. The last thing we should have seen is Anakins burning body, a pregnant Padme (without knowing it's twins) and a mysterious new Sith replacing Dooku.
That way when Obi Wan claims that Vader killed Anakin the obvious conclusion would be, that he didn't want to say "your father is toast because I chopped off that bastards legs and arm and left him burning to a crisp at some lava river".
But then, by the time someone young enough could start watching them in order, Lucas will have made 5 more "very special" editions and "prequeled" the old movies to the point where no fan would go near them. Lucas and severe limitations -> genius, Lucas "imagination" running amok unhindered -> utter crap. Who else would turn Yoda into a Gummi Bear and then move on to turn half the Jedi into lightsaber weilding cgi pinballs bouncing all over the frame *sigh*.
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Leia probably just assumed that her adopted mother was her real mother, why would Bail Organa burden her of the pain of telling her about the tragedy of her real parents?
As far as Padme being pregnant and showing the next day, one can infer that she knew well before she had told Anakin. Anakin had been gone for months, and it would have been easy for her to conceal her pregnancy with the senate dresses she wore.
You do raise an interesting point about the revelations of the OT being ruined for new generations of fans; I guess if I introduce a new fan to Star Wars, I will make them watch 4-6 first and then 1-3. :)
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