Is this a Sith plot hole? *spoliers for SW*
POSTED BY: Starrbaby
UPDATED: Friday, June 3, 2005 20:21
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Hey there browncoats! I've finally gotten around to seeing Ep III, and something has been buggung me.
In Return of the Jedi, Luke asked Leia about their mother, and I got the impression that Padme died when Leia was a toddler. Leia had memories of her. In Revenge of the Sith, Padme died right after the kids were born.
I've asked many people to explain this to me, and I've been mostly rewarded with blank stares.
Since flans are so much smarter, I was hoping someone could clear this up for me.
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There are two possibilities. Either Leia is remembering her fake mother (and was never told that wasn't her real mom) or, more likely, Leia and Padme had a strong bond through the Force, and that is how she "remembers" her.
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Originally posted by Starrbaby:
Hey there browncoats! I've finally gotten around to seeing Ep III, and something has been buggung me.
In Return of the Jedi, Luke asked Leia about their mother, and I got the impression that Padme died when Leia was a toddler. Leia had memories of her. In Revenge of the Sith, Padme died right after the kids were born.
I've asked many people to explain this to me, and I've been mostly rewarded with blank stares.
Since flans are so much smarter, I was hoping someone could clear this up for me.
I had the exact same thing botherin me as well. And I don't buy the whole ' she's talking about her adoptive mother...' stuff because of what Leia says about her (mom). As a story line, it would make little sense for Luke to ask about her mom, and it not be in reference to their REAL mother. Sure, it COULD happen, but it just makes the workings all that more clumsy, imo.
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I had assumed back when ROTJ came out (long before anyone knew there was a Padme) that Leia was talking about her adoptive mother, the wife of Senator Bail Organa.
Episode III did not change that assumption for me - I still think she was talking about Mrs. Organa.
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Originally posted by neesharoo:
I had assumed back when ROTJ came out (long before anyone knew there was a Padme) that Leia was talking about her adoptive mother, the wife of Senator Bail Organa.
Episode III did not change that assumption for me - I still think she was talking about Mrs. Organa.
n.
As Luke is about to tell Leia that they are brother and sister, it seems perfectly reasonable that he's trying to inquire about THEIR mother, not her adoptive one. That's how I see it.
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If you take a look at some of the other Ep III threads hanging around you'll see this is a query that crops up quite a lot.
Forget the new films - as far as I'm concerned in ROTJ Leia is talking about her real mother - afterall, that was the whole point of Luke asking her. He wanted to know about HIS mother - not whoever Leia grew up with. And Leia replies that she only has memories because her mother died when she was quite young (I don't remember the exact words). Whether she was influenced by the Force or not, I'm sorry but I'm personally not convinced that she remembers seeing Padme seconds after she was born. Besides, Leia refers to memories, plural.
However...in the Making of ROTS book, it specifically states that this is the sad smile Leia remembers to Luke. Sorry, but I just don't buy that.
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So, um, you buy the whole thing about there's this "Force" that lets you read people's minds, see into the future, lift huge objects and come back from the dead as an astral projection... but you don't think that Leia could get impressions about her mother's last days while inside the womb because of the the Force?
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Originally posted by chapter11studios:
So, um, you buy the whole thing about there's this "Force" that lets you read people's minds, see into the future, lift huge objects and come back from the dead as an astral projection... but you don't think that Leia could get impressions about her mother's last days while inside the womb because of the the Force?
Last days of Padme, with the smiling, not so much
But yeah, I could accept its a mix of in the womb memories and (because of the force) a memory of that one moment that she was held.
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Yes, I noticed this, too. I'm rather sure that it's a mistake, but I'm willing to accept the "womb-bonding through the Force" explanation.
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Not to get off topic, but another interesting thing with The revenge of the Sith was, did anyone else think General Grevious would turn out to be Darth Maul reborn? I mean that big close up of the eyes lead me to believe that, and for Obi-wan to kill him twice would be pretty cool, plus, Darth Maul was the only cool character from Episode One.
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