Piracy and My Favorite Show: Firefly
POSTED BY: EndangeredMassa
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 02:42
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Your argument came down to "I want to see movies even though I'm going to bad mouth them and I don't want to have to pay for it". If everything you said about movies was true, you could very simply avoid them all together. You don't NEED to watch movies. The industry is not depriving you of water. However, you seem to like movies. You want to watch them. So do I. The thing is I pay for them. I'm not hurting financially. Movie ticket prices don't make me cringe. They did when I was in school though. So, I didn't go to movies. I can probably count the number of movies I went to in my college years on my fingers. I didn't download movies either though. I watched them when they hit tv or if a friend rented them. Which solves your hatered of movie theaters. Just wait for tv or dvd releases of the movies. There is no need to see the movie the second they hit theaters. You could just wait rather than steal. 
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damn double post that ended up losing my well thought out arguments against piracy and other forms of theft.
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No, piracy is wrong. I'm sorry you can't see that.
Remind me not to leave anything valuable where it might be found by someone who can't see the moral problems with stealing it.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
This is a matter of opinion and your over simplification is a joke.Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
Let's just face it, pirating movies is wrong.
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Hello,
I have to admit that, when the show had just been cancelled, and before the DVD set came out, I saw pirated episodes of the series.
It was, at the time, A) the only way I could see the show, and B) the only way I could know the correct order of episodes.
Of course, once the DVD set came out, I immediately purchased it...
But I'd never have known how great Firefly was, and never have purchased the DVD set, if I hadn't watched 'pirated' episodes.
So, I'm a thief. But I don't really feel guilty about it.
Feel free to hide the valuables in your black and white world.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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@Fremdfirma:
LOL, you sure know how to word things 
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Originally posted by reaverdeli:
I cannot belive what I am reading. Even if Fox is getting the money for the FF dvd set.. aren't the actors getting a royalty? Aren't you hurting Joss by doing that?
No actually. Actors, etc typically get what is known as a "buy out." This means that they get no residules, nor royalties, nor any other payment besides there original paycheck. This cuts down on the costs for the producer as they now don't need the administrative infrastructure to keep track of such things for all time, etc.
And even if they did, the money would be neglegable. As a parallel, in the music industry, ask any artist. They earn next to nothing on the album sales, that is where the producer earns there money. The artist earns there money on concert ticket/merchandise/etc sales.
It is uninformed people like you that end up spreading this propaganda.
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Originally posted by reaverdeli:
And if you say it is not wrong, how so? It IS stealing.
Actually, no it isn't. Stealing by definition is taking was does not belong to you. Please note the taking. This means that once I take it, you no longer have it. Thus downloading is not stealing.
If you want to use an actual correct term, you might use, unauthorised copying.
But then again, as I've asked before, what country are you in. Downloading is legal in some countries as it some countries only control unauthorised distribution, and downloading is not distributing. Uploading on the other hand is distributing.
It is subtle differences like these that you're going to have to grasp before you can have a meaningful conversation on this topic.
Please educate yourself before you reply.
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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Originally posted by Zeek:
You could just wait rather than steal.
Please refer to my reply to ReaverDeli. EDIT: Knibblet, please do the same.
I also might ask, when did you go to school. As it has only become feasible within the past couple years to do this, it becomes a good question to ask if you even had the option to do this. Christ, bittorrent has been the first p2p sharing capable of doing this on any real scale and it's only been out for what, the past year or two.
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I can't really apologize for seeing certain things as Black/White. Theft is one of those.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Feel free to hide the valuables in your black and white world.
"I'm gonna rip you a new puppet hole, bitch!"
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by reaverdeli:
I cannot belive what I am reading. Even if Fox is getting the money for the FF dvd set.. aren't the actors getting a royalty? Aren't you hurting Joss by doing that?
No actually. Actors, etc typically get what is known as a "buy out." This means that they get no residules, nor royalties, nor any other payment besides there original paycheck. This cuts down on the costs for the producer as they now don't need the administrative infrastructure to keep track of such things for all time, etc.
And even if they did, the money would be neglegable. As a parallel, in the music industry, ask any artist. They earn next to nothing on the album sales, that is where the producer earns there money. The artist earns there money on concert ticket/merchandise/etc sales.
It is uninformed people like you that end up spreading this propaganda.Quote:
Originally posted by reaverdeli:
And if you say it is not wrong, how so? It IS stealing.
Actually, no it isn't. Stealing by definition is taking was does not belong to you. Please note the taking. This means that once I take it, you no longer have it. Thus downloading is not stealing.
If you want to use an actual correct term, you might use, unauthorised copying.
But then again, as I've asked before, what country are you in. Downloading is legal in some countries as it some countries only control unauthorised distribution, and downloading is not distributing. Uploading on the other hand is distributing.
It is subtle differences like these that you're going to have to grasp before you can have a meaningful conversation on this topic.
Please educate yourself before you reply.
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
Hello,
Sigmanunki, your logic is exasperating.
"No actually. Actors, etc typically get what is known as a "buy out." This means that they get no residules, nor royalties, nor any other payment besides there original paycheck. This cuts down on the costs for the producer as they now don't need the administrative infrastructure to keep track of such things for all time, etc."
Typically they get a buy out? But not always? Which is the case here? Do you even know?
"And even if they did, the money would be neglegable. As a parallel, in the music industry, ask any artist. They earn next to nothing on the album sales, that is where the producer earns there money. The artist earns there money on concert ticket/merchandise/etc sales."
So, only the producer gets less money. Well, the actors might get less money, but the less money they get is inconsequential.
"Actually, no it isn't. Stealing by definition is taking was does not belong to you. Please note the taking. This means that once I take it, you no longer have it. Thus downloading is not stealing.
If you want to use an actual correct term, you might use, unauthorised copying."
So you're only guilty of copyright infringement, sort of like patent infringement, right?
"But then again, as I've asked before, what country are you in. Downloading is legal in some countries as it some countries only control unauthorised distribution, and downloading is not distributing. Uploading on the other hand is distributing."
Murder is legal in some countries. And of course you couldn't download if no one uploaded. So you're supporting an illegal practice that might be taking money from actors and is definitely taking it from producers, yeah?
So sigmanunki, my problem isn't that you're pirating. I'll never believe that the shit quality pirate copies of movies that float around will ever amount to much.
My problem is that you don't have the straightforwardness to admit that it's illegal and that it is technically wrong.
When I watched commercial free Firefly downloaded from online and shared it with my friends before the DVD came ou
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Originally posted by Knibblet:
I can't really apologize for seeing certain things as Black/White. Theft is one of those.Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
Feel free to hide the valuables in your black and white world.
"I'm gonna rip you a new puppet hole, bitch!"
Lots of folks here downloaded episodes before the DVD came out, Knibblet. Might not want to invite any Browncoats over for tea and crumpets.
Who knows what could end up missing.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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