FIREFLY vs. STAR TREK
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 15:48
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Book vs. ... Troi? Is that the closest comparison? Or Inara vs. Troi?
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Captain's Log: Part of the ship fell off, and nobody likes me.
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Cheers, reginaroadie, for your favourite two Trek movies, they are also mine, and in that order!
Kirk vs. Mal- this would depend richly on whether Mal has his piece or not. Both men armed, Mal would take it. Unarmed, well no one's a match for Kirk-Fu! Then Mal would get a speech!ha ha ha
Worf vs. Reavers- Worf would clean house, no matter the numbers! Now that's a mess I'd like to see!
Enterprise vs. Serenity-
Checkov: "Sir, that wessle just wanished, I have never seen the like-"
Spock: "The transport executed what used to be known as a 'Full Burn', somewhat dangerous- even in open space. The transverse slicing of the Hydrogen atoms produces a Chronoton-induced anti proton particle wake that our sensors cannot track, I'm afraid they've...'lost us'."
Silly Chrisisall
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Not really a match-up, but I wouldn't mind seeing Book take a trip to Bajor and get introduced to the Bajoran religion.
Meanwhile, Simon and Bashir could both consult over River. Perhaps Bashir would have some useful insight to share regarding the illegal genetic modifications he (and others) went through.
I can see Zoe & Kira (& possibly Mal) trading stories comparing the Browncoats' War to the Bajoran resistance. I'm sure Kira has a few "moustache"-type stories to share.
As for the Reavers, or even the Alliance, they wouldn't last a day against a Jem'Hadar strike force. The blue hands, OTOH. . . It occurs to me that the people who did whatever to River would be mighty interested in the Dominion's engineered personnel, Vorta & Jem'Hadar alike. . .
Enterprise-era, I can see Trip hanging out with the Serenity crew. He & Mal would probably hit it off more than Mal & Archer, though I suspect Archer would sympathize with Mal's "little dog in a ruttin' huge junkyard" situation. Mayweather would probably feel right at home, and Hoshi-chan would ineviitably pick up some of the lingo (and might start bonding with River & Simon, as another socially-clumsy genius). In fact, Hoshi would make interesting competition with Kaylee for Simon's affection. T'Pol would probably look down her nose at the squallor and unprofessional attitude, but would likely be among the first to go exploring. She'd probably strike up an interesting relationship with River too. Maybe even Book, to compare Vulcan spirituality to whatever uber-religion he belongs to. Phlox would definitely be in the med bay, consulting with Dr. Tam, and unravelling what happened to River (with Enterprise's imaging chamber, Simon wouldn't've needed to go to Ariel). And of course, I can just see Jayne & "Captain Ka-Boom" Reed doing that comparing-guns scene in DoA. . .
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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I disagree. Hoshi is such a non-character that I have no idea what kind of man would fall for her or what kind of man she would fall for. Really, what have we learned about her? Or Mayweather for that matter. They are two of the most poorly developed ST characters I've seen (ignoring anyone on Voyager for the moment). I had more invested in Crewman Cutler than I did Hoshi or Travis.
I think Firefly matches up with TOS and DS9.
Note; This does not mean Linda Park is a poor actress; she has done well with what she has been given.
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You know, I resent the implication that VOYAGER is the weakest of all the series. I always found VOYAGER to be more enjoyable and interesting than any of the other spin-offs. DS9 seemed too dense and TNG seems like a sterile environment. Voyager's crew on the other hand, probably has more in common with Serenity than any of the other crews. And the basic ideas beind The Doctor and 7 of 9 was that they developed. Their whole journeys were about cultivating their individualities and who they were.
And Voyager as a whole has probably more in common with the original series. The whole point of the original was that they were explorers, discovering new things about the galaxy and themselves at the same time. The crew of Voyager is in that exact same situation.
I would rather watch The Doctor in action or 7 of 9 exploring her humanity than Crusher being ethereally bland and Data bumbling around. And what's so odd about having a black Vulcan? Isn't race a moot point in the future?
"NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."
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I watched Voyager form beginning to end. Every episode. I did enjoy the scrappy crew making their way home. There were characters I loved and characters I didn't love. I think The Doctor is one of the best ST characters ever. He is. Very well written, developed, and acted.
However, there were leaps the audience had to take. We took them, but should we have had to? One week Janeway would be by the book Starfleet and the next she would be bending rules right and left. I'm fine with that, I bend rules, but people know why I bend rules. I never felt that they explored her willingness to arbitrarily bend rules. One week this rule was important and the next not so much. There was so much we were left to assume about Chakotay. I loved Neelix, flawed though he was. And poor Harry. He was such a good guy. He could have been developed more. I guess I just wasn't worried about them, I wasn't invested in their safety.
I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into DS9. Once I got there and accepted things, I liked it. All the characters were fleshed out. I wasn't left wondering about any of them Even Bashir finally filled out a bit. I don't feel like I knew the crew on Voyager and Enterprise. I know more about Shran then Travis. Silly. I’d gladly watch reruns of all the ST series. I'm being picky.
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Star Trek is not challenging to watch... it does not attack, align to, or subvert any of the paradigms I hold to or hate. It simply is.
The original series was really poignant to modern culture making statements about racism, prejudice, and other cultural issues. The more recent series are just 2d shadows of the former show with better acting and better props... maybe even better writting... but the writers have nothing to say.
I love Star Trek, and have seen every episode of the original, TNG, DS9 (arguable the best of the series in terms of plot), and trailed off after that.
However, the fact is - a whore will never be aired on a star trek episode... nor a priest of a real religion. Nothing will ever happen on a modern star trek episode that will cause you to grow as a person or challenge you in interesting ways. It's just a show.
Firefly challenges you with concepts of faith (a lot of the dialogue between river and book - especially when she tears apart the bible), matters of free will (dialogue between the freedom fighter and the prostitute)... and a bunchh of other HEAVY topics that Star Trek would never touch. Topics like loyalty, betrayal, and beating the big boss in order to survive... Hell, I could watch Thundercats and get those plot concepts. Star Trek isn't really challenging.
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Hmm, interesting that so many Firefly fans like DS9; that's by far my favorite, too. And I disagree with the opinion that the later ST series' didn't have anything to say - terrorism was a huge, recurring, complex topic in DS9, for example (though of course it was before 9/11).
Bashir vs. Simon was one of my first thoughts when I read this thread, too - lol.
And I certainly agree that Kira would get on well with Mal and Zoe - though she might look down on them for losing without dying in the process.
Here's something nobody's brought up: how about Quark hiring Mal for a bit of "extra-legal" business? (Though there're some similarities to Rat already, so it might not seem all that different). Imagine Jayne and River at the Dabo table while Mal and Quark talk it over... Jayne grabbing at the Dabo girl while River analyses how the board is rigged...
Or Serenity getting infested with Cardassian voles...
Or Gul Dukat vs. Niska... hmm, maybe not, Niska doesn't have the same "I'm really torturing millions for their own good" sliminess that Dukat has - Niska's far too open about his intentions, the two characters don't match up.
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My only real problem with Voyager was the utter inability to write the Borg. The Star Trek writers just couldn't stretch their minds around what should've been the single most alien mind in the Trek universe, so they retconned the Collective (a single consciousness spread among millions of bodies) into the Empire (slaves dominated by a Queen). It bugs me that they didn't even seem to try, but just accepted the old saw ("you can't write aliens, no matter how hard you try").
But the biggest problem was the WTF characters of the finale. Nobody seemed to notice that Janeway, Chakotay, and Seven had all been replaced by their alternaverse versions. After seven years of being In Command, Janeway suddenly starts second-guessing herself? Serene, calm spiritualist Chakotay turns into a highschool horn-dog? Seven turns from the cyber-ice-queen to a fully normal human chick? And Tuvok's utterly out-of-left-field disease.
It just seemed like the ending snuck up on them, so they shoehorned a full season of story into one episode, with no foreshadowing or character/plot buildup.
Doc Hologram, Paris, Torres, Kim, Tuvok --they all rocked, but Seven didn't really develop; she started to, but quickly (within a few episodes) reached a plateau, where she remained until just before the finale (but we never got to see the "breakthrough").
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Originally posted by Astragynia:
Here's something nobody's brought up: how about Quark hiring Mal for a bit of "extra-legal" business? (Though there're some similarities to Rat already, so it might not seem all that different).
Quote:And then proceeding to win anyway. The deal would end with Quark ushering Mal out, yelling for him to take that little witch with him before she ruins him!
Imagine Jayne and River at the Dabo table while Mal and Quark talk it over... Jayne grabbing at the Dabo girl while River analyses how the board is rigged...
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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Originally posted by Astragynia:
Here's something nobody's brought up: how about Quark hiring Mal for a bit of "extra-legal" business? (Though there're some similarities to Rat already, so it might not seem all that different). Imagine Jayne and River at the Dabo table while Mal and Quark talk it over... Jayne grabbing at the Dabo girl while River analyses how the board is rigged...
That would be a brilliant scene...
Simon and Julian talk medicine while Julian and O'Brien are playing darts in the corner. Kaylee talks with O'Brien while surreptitiously checking out the two docs. Out on the Promenade, Zoe distracts Kira with tales of gorilla warfare and the underdog. Nog convinces Jake to hit on Kaylee. Jake would send drinks accompanied with little poems of her beauty and genius to Kaylee. Book would be exploring the Bajoran Temple. For some reason I picture Inara talking with Garak. Perhaps he designs some clothing for her or they sit in the Cafe discussing politics and intrigue, I don't know.
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