Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
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Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 22:09
But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraud, and someone who not only mischaracterizes himself to sell his viewpoint should be allowed to be the head of any teaching department, nor in any position to teach.
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 07:36
As far as a liar and a cheat. That's a pretty much forgone conclusion.
Most if not all of those sterling academic achievements are based on his lies.
The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that.
Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:50
There is no fact that shows that he didn't lie about his heritage to get to where he is.
Friday, April 08, 2005 - 08:22
I think we should all take a hard stand on unethical misrepresentation and research misconduct - especially in the academic world where good scholarly research depends on at least that much.
Friday, April 08, 2005 - 12:32
I say we make the time to do the right things to make things right. Here are two liars and two cheats, two frauds who should be exposed and made to pay for their continuing snubbing of basic decency.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:libel
Definitions of libel on the Web:
a tort consisting of false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person
slanderous statements against; "The newspaper was accused of libeling him"
the written statement of a plaintiff explaining the cause of action (the defamation) and any relief he seeks
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn
In English and American law, and systems based on them, libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort or delict of making a false statement of fact that injures someone's reputation. "Defamation" is however the generally-used term internationally, and is accordingly used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "libel" and "slander".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel
Do you KNOW he claimed to be an enrolled Indian on his application?
Do you KNOW he got his job on the basis of that claim ? (and not due to, for example, academic merit)
Do you KNOW he plagiarized?
As you yourself have noted, these QUESTIONS are at this moment under investigation. In your posts, you forgot the required dodge words: claim (claimed), allege (alleged) etc
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Originally posted by rue:
Do you KNOW he claimed to be an enrolled Indian on his application?
Do you KNOW he got his job on the basis of that claim ? (and not due to, for example, academic merit)
Do you KNOW he plagiarized?
I think you've hit the nail on the head, Rue. As far as I know, the answer to all these questions is no (although the little bit I've read about the painting sounds suspicious. But then I have to consider the source. If it is true, I'm not sure I would call it plagiarizing. Copyright violation definitely. But I tend to think of plagiarizing as relating to the written word.).
I'll add a few more questions:
Would this be a crusade if Ward Churchill hadn't made his remarks four years ago?
Would this be an issue if James Guckhart had not been exposed as a practicing prostitute who had access to the White House on a regular basis for more than two years by pretending to be a reporter?
Would this be under investigation if the Governor of Colorado (Churchill's nominal boss) wasn't a member of Lynn Cheney's orghanization?
If you're interested, here is a statement from the current chair of the Ethnic Studies Program at the University of Colorado (written on February 15th). It's probably closest to my personal point of view. And it's probably safe to say that my own opinion on this topic was shaped, in part, by reading this letter a few months ago and then investigating the claims. I'll just include the summary paragraph.
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excerpt from http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill_neocon.html
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We have to be as clear as possible about the big picture. This is much, much bigger than an individual attack on Ward. What we're looking at is a carefully developed, pre-existing national strategy that has been searching for exactly the right breakthrough "test case." It has found extremely favorable conditions in Ward's situation and in the post-911 climate. As they've been doing already in other areas they want to dismantle the structural footholds (academic freedom/tenure, ethnic studies) that social movements gained for people of color and liberal and progressive intellectuals inside academe during the 60s & 70s. If they are successful in Colorado, it could set a precedent like Bakke. Raising the stakes even higher, Governor Owens has ambitions that reach as far as the White House. The next phases of his career hang on this crucial campaign that will give definitive proof of his leadership ability. If he pulls it off, it's a glorious triple coup-de-grace: undermine the legal foundation of tenure/free speech, hurt/ruin Ethnic Studies...and at no less than the strongest "liberal" campus in the state. His personal investment in this campaign is very high and he is likely to throw his whole weight behind it.
I guess if I was prone to argue like some of those who are caught up in the Churchill feeding frenzy I would just accuse them of being tools of racists and leave it at that. But I'm not that far gone
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Guess you couldn't come up with a better legal definition for libel. At least bring up the Supreme court decisions on libel cases on public cases - Comm'on... Yep, guess google is the ultimate authority of legal matters. I've got to say, that's pretty good research...
In either case, the red herring is getting smelly - it's pretty old and rotten. Time to either bring it back to topic or get something new. And as a last pointer, whatever it is you want to call it, libel/slander whatever, has to be proven in court with charges brought - and the Supreme Court has a rather narrow definition of it as far as public figures go; so unless if you've got the spare time to file court papers and end up showing what a bucket of malarkey this is, I suggest you lay off your smelly tactics and get back on topic.
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Are professors public figures??? I don't think so.
As far as red herrings- as has been so eloquently pointed out, Churchill himself is the red herring. Give it up Jasonzz.
Meanwhile, to add to Churchill's observations about little Eichmans- has anyone been following what's happened to the Mayor of Mexico City? Condi made it quite plain that she didn't want a socialist Mexican President, and Fox and the corrupt Mexican Congress- ever eager to comply with White House preferences- is trying to make it impossible for Obrador to run.
And we wonder why people around the world hate us? Sheesh!!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Are professors public figures??? I don't think so.
Well... unfortunately for you, sez every single newspapers and the major US media outlets from Dec
thru Mar. So, although you are entitled to whatever delusions you can think of, it doesn't really matter what you think in this particular aspect. Most reasonable juror would likely be able to derive that on their own without much handling.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
As far as red herrings- as has been so eloquently pointed out, Churchill himself is the red herring. Give it up Jasonzz.
Well, for once we agreed! He is a big fat red herring in the progress of academic ethics and research.
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Just a little nitpick. I thought the whole purpose of a red herring was that it smelled. Wasn't that where the phrase came from anyway? (Dragging a red herring across your trail to throw the scent of the bloodhounds off? The smellier the better). So it seems like attacking a red herring by saying it's starting to smell bad might not be the best way to go.
Jasonzzz: Your statement connecting ethics and research is telling. This is consistent with the goal of the groups behind the Churchill hunt - they don't agree that Ethnic Studies should be a research topic so they go after a researcher's ethics and then use that to broad-brush attack the field in general.
Signym: I read an article in the LA Times* ( http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexmayor8apr08,0,7
914216.story?coll=la-home-world ) about the political manueverings being used to keep Obrador from running but I don't recall any mention of Secretary of State Rice. Did you read this in another article?
* hat tip to Kevin Drum for the link to the article
* editted to add: I've been trying to find a story I remember reading about an east coast professor who was fired based on his participation in hate groups (white supremicist organizations). Does this ring a bell with anyone? I wanted to bring that story up as a related case but I don't remember any of the details of why the professor was fired. My initial reaction is that I would be against that firing based on freedom of speech grounds as well, but I've been holding back in an absence of information. So, short question, does anyone remember this and, if so, can you point me to a good summary article?
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I recall there was quite a flap about the David Project, a pro-Zionist organization which has gotten three Palestinian professors off the Yale (?) speakers list. I know that's not what you're referring to tho.
What I noticed is that right-wingers tend to cloak their real agenda (which is to eliminate any hint of liberalism) in very broad-sounding objectives such as "fairness", "ethics", "academic freedom" and so forth. So while liberals- who are mainly interested in creating fair systems that work for everyone- go haring and hounding off on trying to devise the optimal approach for a broad-range of situtations, the right wing is busy gutting it's enemies by any means possible. It's getting to the point where I'm reluctant to have thoughtful discussions about larger issues with right-wingers because that is clearly not their agenda.
RE Mexico- The previoust State Department's (Powell's) approach to Mexico was "We will accept any result as long as it's from a democratic process". As soon as Condi became Scy of State, the State Department issued a travel warning. I remember hearing that warning and thinking "wha.....???" because it was apropos of nothing- no sudden increase in Mexican crime, no international politcal issue brewing at the time (no important UN votes or anything). It was simply the Condi's warning shot across Mexico's bow in an area where Mexico is particularly vulnerable, which is their tourist economy.
One month after, Fox figured out a way to do Condi's bidding.
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JasonZZZZZZZ (asleep at the switch)
What is the red herring you're referring to? That I demonstrated you made false claims of fact and defamed someone?
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can't argue your way rationally, logically, nor sanely. Can't put together well thought out strategy and can't put together any worthwhile real research. So you resort to name calling and school yard tactics.
Simply shameful. 
What's next? you coming over to gimme a wedgie or something stupid?
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How about this Quincy Troupe fellow incident?
http://chronicle.com/free/v49/i30/30a01001.htm
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