Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 03:59
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So... you're saying that its' more important to investiate the ancestory of a professor in a small program than it is to look at the House Majority leader, who is now threatening to depose the Judiciary from its role as the third branch of government-
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who also took money from foreign interests, "paid" his wife and daughter a half-million dollars, used national coporate donations for local Texas elections, traveled internationally on paid junkets with lobbyists, and paints himself as a pro-life moralist?
Well, I'm glad that you're on the Committee to Protect the Integrity and Independence of Small University Programs!
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Hey look.
If you absolutely insist that we can only do one thing at a time. I'm going to insist that we sit down and chill out because we just got ahead on our collective selves a little - just a little. But if we can do at least 2 things. I say we do both.
I say we make the time to do the right things to make things right. Here are two liars and two cheats, two frauds who should be exposed and made to pay for their continuing snubbing of basic decency. These people aren't just the street corner card sharks, low lifes who might not have as many choices. These two and the rest of these sports "heroes" have continually demonstrated the same bad behaviour. Their inability to be at least upright citizens in their perspective place as some sort of leaders leaves me with more than contempt and outrage.
Then again, Churchill is to you a distraction b/c you let the media dictate to you what's important. Take a chill pill, have a tall one, and relax. Spring is here, not too late to plant some bulbs yet. Enjoy the early evenings.
;-)
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Originally posted by SignyM:
So... you're saying that its' more important to investiate the ancestory of a professor in a small program than it is to look at the House Majority leader, who is now threatening to depose the Judiciary from its role as the third branch of government-
www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=
H5OXEDSABXVA4CRBAELCFEY?type=politicsNews&storyID=8130182
who also took money from foreign interests, "paid" his wife and daughter a half-million dollars, used national coporate donations for local Texas elections, traveled internationally on paid junkets with lobbyists, and paints himself as a pro-life moralist?
Well, I'm glad that you're on the Committee to Protect the Integrity and Independence of Small University Programs!The point is that I'm not getting distracted from Ward Churchill. Churchill himself IS the distraction... as has been demonstrated in other posts when one looks at the time lag between when Churchill spoke and the reaction.
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One of us must be on meds because I'm almost agreeing with you! 
Altho seriously, I can do several things at once but not everything at once, so I'm going to have to... have a nice tall cold one and relax.
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I've mentioned at least once that I wouldn't pick Ward Churchill as a friend or even casual acquaintance. (Reading about him, of course I reference what seems to be my closest real-life example. That was a person who I had as a lab-partner who gave me the creeps, and the same words apply - superficially verbal, facile, glib, interesting and entertaining - remember, Churchill's classes were SRO. But also quickly becoming hostile and threatening.)
I'm glad that the University concluded he had his first amendment rights to express his opinions.
As for futher investigations, I'll repeat myself that I will wait for the University to conduct its investigation. They have ALL the information available to them, including his actual applications, letters of commendation from noted academics, personnel file etc. And too, at that time Churchill will have a chance to explain and defend himself, which he has not had to date.
I will not be premature, and you should not be, either. ANYTHING ELSE IS UN-AMERICAN.
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I think it's very AMERICAN or whatever else to freely express your/my opinion - whatever it maybe (aside from "fire in the crowded theatre"), then wait until the outcome/decision and *then* 'tar and feather' and run'em out of town.
That said, WC is free to say whatever the heck he please. He just shouldn't be allowed to express those same ideas as scholarly research under these type of pretense. Glad that at least he isn't the department head spouting that kind of crap anymore.
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(Churchill) also defended his scholarship, citing his induction into the Martin Luther King Jr. Collegium of Scholars at Morehouse College in Atlanta and offering nine pages of endorsements from other scholars.
The collection includes praise from Richard Falk, formerly at Princeton and now a visiting professor of global studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who called Churchill an outstanding scholar of indigenous rights.
"That does express my view of his work," Falk said Thursday.
Richard A Falk
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http://www.eli.org/ecw/falk.htm Biography
Richard A. Falk
Richard A. Falk is the Albert G. Milbank Professor of International Law and Practice at Princeton University since 1965. B.S. (economics), Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania (1952); LL.B., Yale Law School (1955); J.S.D., Harvard University (1962). He has been on the editorial boards of about ten journals and magazines, including the American Journal of International Law (1961-) and The Nation (1978-). Prof. Falk has served on the boards or been otherwise associated with scores of professional organizations, including serving as Chairman of the Consultative Council, Lawyers' Committee on American Policy Toward Vietnam (1967-75). Prof. Falk has provided expert testimony in many high profile cases and legislative and administrative hearings. He has been a member of international panels of jurors addressing "Marcos' Policies in the Philippines," "The Armenian Genocide," "Reagan's War Against Nicaragua," Nuclear Warfare, "Puerto Rico: A History of Repression and Struggle," and "Amazonia: Development and Human Rights." Prof. Falk has written extensively on international law and the law of war.
Relevant Publications: Crimes of War (Richard A. Falk et al., eds.; New York: Random House, 1971); Burns H. Weston et al., International Law and World Order: A Problem-Oriented Coursebook (3rd ed.) (St. Paul, MN: West Publishing Co., 1997) (co-authors Richard A. Falk and Hilary Charlesworth); Richard A. Falk, Ecocide, Genocide, and the Nuremberg Tradition of Individual Responsibility, in Philosophy, Morality, and International Affairs 123-37 (V. Held et al., eds.; New York: Oxford, 1974); Richard A. Falk, Methods and Means of Warfare, in Law and Responsibility 37-53, 102-113 (Peter Troboff, ed.; Durham, NC: North Carolina University Press, 1975); Richard A. Falk, Environmental Disruption by Military Means and International Law, in Environmental Warfare: A Technical, Legal and Policy Appraisal 33-51 (Arthur H. Westing, ed.; London; Philadelphia: Taylor & Francis, 1984); Richard A. Falk, The Environmental Law of War: An Introduction, in Environmental Protection and the Law of War: A "Fifth Geneva" Convention on the Protection of the Environment in Time of Armed Conflict 78-95 (Glen Plant, ed.; London; New York: Belhaven Press, 1992); Richard A. Falk, Reflections on the Gulf War Experience: Force and War in the UN System, in The Gulf War and the New World Order: International Relations of the Middle East 25-39 (Tareq Y. Ismael & Jacqueline S. Ismael, eds.; Gainesville, FL: University Press of Florida, 1994); Richard A. Falk, War Crimes: The Circle of Responsibility, The Nation, Jan. 1970, at 77-82; Richard A. Falk, Forty Years After the Nuremberg and Tokyo Tribunals: The Impact of the War Crimes Trials on International and National Law, in Proceedings, Eightieth Annual Meeting, The American Society of International Law 65-67 (April 9-12, 1986); The Wasted Nations: Report of the International Commission of Enquiry into United States Crimes in Indochina, June 20-25, 1971 (Frank Browning & Dorothy Forman, eds.; New York: Harper & Row, 1972) (hearings held in Oslo, Norway) (introduction by Richard Falk); Falk, Richard, Environmental Warfare and Ecocide, in 4 The Vietnam War and International Law (1966-75, 4 vols.); Crimes of War (Richard Falk et al., eds.; New York: Random House, 1971).
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Here are two liars and two cheats, two frauds who should be exposed and made to pay for their continuing snubbing of baNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Are these endorsements that they believe he is not a cheat and a liar or are these endorsements of what appears to be his "academic work"? These academics might be able to judge that the works are good, but did they do any rigorous investigation as to whether WC actually produced those works under honest and ethical conditions? Anyways, I thought that we are letting all of the judging up to the CU office of research integrity and what not... hmmmm...
It also appears that you are confusing having an opinion and speaking it with actually going over there with torch in hand and tar in a bucket. I am most certainly free to express my opinion - especially when the evidence so far laid out pretty much paints a picture of a compulsive cheat.
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I expressed no personal opinion or conclusion. As to your 'freedom' of opinion, libel is excepted.
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It's sort of ironic that you would bring up libel - the willful and reckless disregard in presenting falsehood in order to malign a subject - in this particular thread. I think I almost lost my lunch laughing so hard over that.
I see and present only opinions as far as what's been printed and presented in media and public records so far. It might be libel if I had made up crap like "oh, he defrauded these people and bilked money out of them.", or "oh, he used his falsely obtained positioned to sexually harass the minors in his department"...
You know, I get tired of this sometimes. I thought that you claimed you used good research techniques, that you are some sort of great debater, that you are above using low-end tactics like this strawmen crap and this red-herring crap. But you are pretty much just the same as the folks and ideas you claim to oppose. When it comes right down to it, when you've ran out of crap to throw into the fan. You deploy the red-herring. Might as well get your ol' stalking horse ready while you are at it.
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