A good death for the Pope? - I'm confused
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It appears that many of the same folks who wanted to use any means necessary to keep Terri Schiavo alive are now praying that the Pope be allowed to die with dignity. I can't help but see sort of a disconnect here. Why aren't they demanding that he be kept alive by any means necessary? Has anyone filed a lawsuit requesting extraordinary measures yet? Checked to see if he has a "living will"? No. They're just writing him off. Letting him go.
I really mean no disrespect to the Pope. To my non-religious view he's generally been a force for good (although I have problems with his, and his Church's, stand on birth control). I just wonder at the apparent double standard.
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Geezer, you out of your mind. Nobody's removed the Pope's feeding tube. Nobody's starving him to death.
Feeding someone is not extraordinary means to save a person's life.
If the Holy Father's heart stops, then THAT is a natural death. If he's starved, then that's murder.
By the way, the Pope will be in heaven with the Lord, while someday that murdering murderer Michael Schiavo will burn a deep level of hell.
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I guess a lack of action, say not feeding someone, would be murder? Then what about the lack of action by the Vatican by not taking the Pope to the hospital this time? I'm sure there are very good doctors that could prolong his life by a couple of days at least, but in order for that to happen they need to be there. And no, the irony is not totally lost on everyone, Geezer.
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It appears that many of the same folks who wanted to use any means necessary to keep Terri Schiavo alive are now praying that the Pope be allowed to die with dignity. I can't help but see sort of a disconnect here. Why aren't they demanding that he be kept alive by any means necessary? Has anyone filed a lawsuit requesting extraordinary measures yet? Checked to see if he has a "living will"? No. They're just writing him off. Letting him go.
I really mean no disrespect to the Pope. To my non-religious view he's generally been a force for good (although I have problems with his, and his Church's, stand on birth control). I just wonder at the apparent double standard.
The Catholic Church’s official position is that life should not be extended through extraordinary means. That which is extraordinary however is somewhat fuzzy as technology is continuously improved. I can see why there is confusion within the church.
If Terri’s family were to follow Catholic doctrine, then they would have let her go many years ago. Religion was a major factor in their argument. If you don’t follow one of god’s rules, it is the same as forsaking them all. Their argument is moot.
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Geezer, you out of your mind. Nobody's removed the Pope's feeding tube. Nobody's starving him to death.
Feeding someone is not extraordinary means to save a person's life.
If the Holy Father's heart stops, then THAT is a natural death. If he's starved, then that's murder.
By the way, the Pope will be in heaven with the Lord, while someday that murdering murderer Michael Schiavo will burn a deep level of hell.
The Pope is not in a persistent vegetative state. If Terri Schiavo were able to communicate in any way, beyond reflex then she would still be alive. The Pontiff is capable of communication.
Since you pull the god card, let me help you.
If you believe the Pontiff will go to heaven then why do you believe that Michael Schiavo will go to hell, he followed Catholic Doctrine. Your feelings aside, this is the written will of god.
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I guess a lack of action, say not feeding someone, would be murder? Then what about the lack of action by the Vatican by not taking the Pope to the hospital this time? I'm sure there are very good doctors that could prolong his life by a couple of days at least, but in order for that to happen they need to be there. And no, the irony is not totally lost on everyone, Geezer.
There are two possible reasons why John Paul has not been moved, either he is too ill to be moved, or he is well enough that it is not warranted, in either case the Pontiff will have the assistance he needs at home.
Regardless, I doubt that the Pontiff will allow himself to escape the graces of god, by clinging to the mortal coil.
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After saying this, If I was in the same state Terri Schiavo was in. I would want to go. My wife, inlaws, grandparents, have all expressed the same opinion.
The problem I have with the situation is why remove the feeding tube and starve her to death over days and weeks ?
If in the same, I would want the overdose of morphine or something similar. We put down our dogs and cats if they are in incurable pain, and I like them alot more than many people I have met.
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As a devout catholic I pray for the pope. Concerning shaivo, it should be the person's descion to "PUll the plug", if they're unable to decide, then realize that one shouldn't be unplugged against one's will. I'm erratic on this. the pope realize his body was frail,and that prolonging his death, he might be in a coma and incapicitate the church, so to die a natural death not by being kept alive by machine and having the plug pulled, he decides no way. as for terry, I believe if she could not decide whether to live or die, she should be kept alive, until she dies a natural death, not by starvation or unplugging her. But in the future we must realize to be kept alive by a machine, isn't living and we also should have do not resessitates should we fall into a situation like terry's. I'm very pro-life,however a machine making one live, past GOD's plan for a natural death for a person isn't right or ethical and almost sinnfull. in the end protect, cherish and preserve life to the last. if there's hope for life don't unplug them.
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Originally posted by sgtgump:
I guess a lack of action, say not feeding someone, would be murder? Then what about the lack of action by the Vatican by not taking the Pope to the hospital this time? I'm sure there are very good doctors that could prolong his life by a couple of days at least, but in order for that to happen they need to be there.
OMG, another crazy person. That have not taken him to the hospital because he specifically told them not to when he was still conscious.
He has doctors with him at his apartment, they've practically turned his home into his own private hospital.
Get the facts first before you post, pal.
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Your right the fuzzy bit is what constitutes “extraordinary measures”. In the case of terry sc(I can’t spell the name sorry), what was keeping her alive was a feeding tube. She couldn’t feed her self, the Holy Father received a similar tube put in a few days ago because of complications from parkinses dieses (apparently it frequently causes problems with swallowing). Now this was the only life support that terry(or is it tarry) was on. Speaking just from catholic doctrine (though I don’t think it is really the type of thing that many people will consider really out there) providing food and water to somebody that is ill is considered a common duty. It’s right up there with providing bask needs. So the question is do you conseder giving somebody food and water (albeit using a tube traded into there stomach) to be “extraordinary measures” or in any other way above and beyond the call of duty. The reason terry died was because she was not given any food or water, and one thing I can say with certainty about any body you care to name is that if you deprive them of food and water they will die.
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Conscience wrote:
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Geezer, you out of your mind. Nobody's removed the Pope's feeding tube. Nobody's starving him to death.
Feeding someone is not extraordinary means to save a person's life.
If the Holy Father's heart stops, then THAT is a natural death. If he's starved, then that's murder.
By the way, the Pope will be in heaven with the Lord, while someday that murdering murderer Michael Schiavo will burn a deep level of hell.
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OMG, another crazy person. That have not taken him to the hospital because he specifically told them not to when he was still conscious.
He has doctors with him at his apartment, they've practically turned his home into his own private hospital.
Get the facts first before you post, pal.
Sorry Conscience, your disagreeing with him doesn't mean he is crazy, and doesn't warrant name-calling or implications of stupidity. You may raise some valid points, but could we raise the civility bar here, please?
Edited to add: And yes Geezer, it is ironic that many people who are "pro-life" also favor the death penalty, and that the current President who came down on the side of life in the Terry Schiavo case signed a bill while Governor that allows doctors to over-rule family members and disconnect life-support for certain patients in Texas hospitals. Irony is alive and well in America.
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I don’t know what people in general are saying about the Pope. I know what they are saying at my church, and no one has written him off just yet. I think there is a fear that the Pope’s condition may persist this way for quite a while during which the Vatican would be lacking a spiritual leader. Some are saying that he should step down, but no one whom I’ve talked to has expressed any desire to see him die.
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