Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
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Originally posted by rue:
Ward Churchill:Quote:
http://www.aztlan.net/churchill_creek_cherokee.htm
So Ward Churchill does have mixed Indian ancestry. In the public record, his family tree consists of those labelled 'Caucasian' and 'Unknown'. Now I know some may find this hard to believe, but there was a time when Indians who left the res to live in the White world didn't advertise their background. So, though he can't prove himself an Indian according to birth records, it's also true no one can prove he isn't. (But, to put the birth records in context, the old saying 'blood will tell' now has a new, scientific meaning.)
Hmm... I am *not* calling these guys at aztlan.net outright liars, but I can't find one single other shred of article that collaborate their story. Something this important from about 2 months back would definitely have surfaced in media by now and at least been brought to the attention of the CU board of Regents special review...
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Originally posted by rue:
He has been active in AIM (the American Indian Movement) since 1982.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42700
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the American Indian Movement kicked out the activist the group called "deceitful" and "treacherous" and who it condemned as a white man masquerading as an Indian.
Actually "kicked out" of AIM for being too radical extremist.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1341185/posts
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The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council representing the National and International leadership of the American Indian Movement once again is vehemently and emphatically repudiating and condemning the outrageous statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill in relationship to the 9-11 tragedy in New York City that claimed thousands of innocent people’s lives.
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The sorry part of this is Ward Churchill has fraudulently represented himself as an Indian, and a member of the American Indian Movement, a situation that has lifted him into the position of a lecturer on Indian activism. He has used the American Indian Movement’s chapter in Denver to attack the leadership of the official American Indian Movement with his misinformation and propaganda campaigns.
So AIM actually denounces Churchill
pic of his wannabe-ness.
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Originally posted by rue:
And at one point he was one of two people enrolled in the Cherokee Nation as a non-blood Indian. (Bill Clinton was the other.) From what I read, the tribal leader who got this program going was voted-out some time later, the program closed and membership in the nation rescinded. I haven't looked up the timeline of Churchill's hiring and/or tenure, but it is conceivable that he was a bona-fide Cherokee Indian during his hiring and/or tenure review, or reasonably thought he was. Perhaps one of the baying right-wing vigilantes could look this up since it is a topic of great interest to them.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_351
9179,00.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16911
Hmmmm...
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The United Keetoowah Band Cherokee says University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill is not a member of their tribe.
"He's not in the database at all and is not a member of the Keetoowah," said Georgia Mauldin, the tribal clerk in Tahlequah, Okla.
So, there's no record and he's not a member of the Tribe from the horse's mouth. but yet, in biographical blurbs, he identifies himself as an enrolled member of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokees. He was an "associate" member - no more than a honorary title that doesn't require proof of an indian blood at all, under a program that he self-applied, but was soon disbanded and the program nullified. An associate member is a far cry from his 1979 application to employment at CU declaring Tribal Enrollment: United Keetoo
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I bet you are just dying inside now that he gets to keep his job.
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Originally posted by rue:
I bet you are just dying inside now that he gets to keep his job.
I don't know if I really care much about him as a person or what he spouts. He might even be a good writer. He has his ideas and opinions and that's fine. He can even teach it if the rest of his peers think that it's worthwhile stuff. But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraud, and someone who not only mischaracterizes himself to sell his viewpoint should be allowed to be the head of any teaching department, nor in any position to teach. Hmmmm... like I said, anyone is free to spout stuff as long as its lawful. But what he supposedly has done is way beyond academic fraud.
Dated Feb 7, 2005 from the Frontpagemag.com article.
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Churchill resigned his position as head of the CU Ethnic Studies program but kept his $96,000 per year teaching post.
From the summary of the CU Chancellor's recommendations:
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Allegations have been made that Professor Churchill has engaged in research misconduct; specifically, that he has engaged in plagiarism, misuse of others' work, falsification and fabrication of authority.
These allegations have sufficient merit to warrant referral to the University of Colorado at Boulder Standing Committee on Research Misconduct for further inquiry in accordance with prescribed procedures. The research misconduct procedures afford Professor Churchill an opportunity to review and to respond to the allegations before any determination is made. If the Committee determines that Professor Churchill engaged in research misconduct, the Committee is to make recommendations regarding dismissal or other disciplinary action.
Also referred to the Committee is the question of whether Churchill committed research misconduct by misrepresenting himself to be American Indian to gain credibility, authority, and an audience by using an Indian voice for his scholarly writings and speeches.
Chancellor Philip DiStefano said that the misconduct review on these two issues will likely take up to seven months. Yeah, so the way most of these things are done. They are just waiting for the wind to blow over and the short memories to expire.
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You keep mistaking allegations for facts.
Some of the nice things about dealing with those allegations is that they have to be specific, and the people making the allegations have to prove their case, not the other way around. That makes a defense easier.
Churchill has been followed by the FBI for years. I suspect he's well-versed in staying out of legal reach.
Quote:I found multiple links to the story, but it was a while back and they seem to have thinned. I evidently forgot to link to the first site I got the article from, which was nativenews.net It may still be there.
Hmm... I am *not* calling these guys at aztlan.net outright liars, but I can't find one single other shred of article that collaborate their story.
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Not sure where you are finding allegations or facts here. All I see is a slew of lies being revealed by the people he is lying about and lying to. The nice thing about liars who start believing the crap they spew is that they stop conning the small time and start getting taped, and getting themselves quoted in all sorts of public places, then end up being on record, and finally getting called onto the carpet on it. The only thing about liars that are worse than the lying are the ones who get stupid about it and getting caught.
In any case, the fact of the matter is that he is no longer the head of the ethnic studies department and he's got 7 months to get his ducks all lined up in a roll while the CU Regents do their investigations on the remaining two issues recommended for further probing. Meanwhile, he is hated by the very people that he claims to be apart of and his credibility, whatever that remains, just keeps waning.
Ah, having a very difficult time doing any searches on nativenews.net...
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Originally posted by rue:
You keep mistaking allegations for facts.
Some of the nice things about dealing with those allegations is that they have to be specific, and the people making the allegations have to prove their case, not the other way around. That makes a defense easier.
Churchill has been followed by the FBI for years. I suspect he's well-versed in staying out of legal reach.Quote:I found multiple links to the story, but it was a while back and they seem to have thinned. I evidently forgot to link to the first site I got the article from, which was nativenews.net It may still be there.
Hmm... I am *not* calling these guys at aztlan.net outright liars, but I can't find one single other shred of article that collaborate their story.
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Quote:Proven? Or merely your allegation?
But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraud
Quote:Why did you include this quote regarding allegations and questions? Do you mistake it for proof of fact?
Allegations have been made that Professor Churchill has engaged in research misconduct ... (which) warrant ... further inquiry. Also referred to the Committee is the question of whether Churchill committed research misconduct by misrepresenting himself to be American Indian
Quote:OTOH, he has sterling academic achievements and letters of commendation from well-recognized peers around the country. Not something you'd take note of, but this will also come out during proceedings.
his credibility, whatever that remains, just keeps waning
Google "ward churchill" +UNenrolled. I think you'll find it educational.
other sources for the story:
www.indybay.org/news/2005/02/1720485.php
colorado.indymedia.org/ newswire/display_any/10218/index.php
colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/10218/index.php
www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/020805letters.htm
Also, as general background
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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The United States has treated its indigenous people poorly for much of its history, yet today thousands of people are anxious to show their Native American heritage and are turning to DNA testing for help.
And I have a question for you. I see this pretty much as an attempted lynching. Not content to let due process run its course, you and your ilk attempt circumvent it and agitate others in order to ruin someone's life. What do you tell yourself when you actively participate in hate-mongering?
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I don't think these are just mere allegations. But neither have they been proven fact yet. These various claims have enough weight and evidence behind them that the CU Chancellor have decided to recommend them for further investigations; at the same time, there are other allegations that they have decided to reject based on skimpy if any evidence at this time.
As far as a liar and a cheat. That's a pretty much forgone conclusion. There isn't going to be a court case, no one is suing him. At the same time, he has not come forward to refute what the United Keetoowah Band Cherokee record shows that he does not, in fact belong to, nor has ever belong to, the Cherokee band. The very fact that he repeatedly states so (not just that he has indian blood, which he also claims) that he is enrolled and belongs to the tribe is a lie that he himself perpetuates in order to support his various academic positions, publications, & literature *and* his academic career at CU.
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:Proven? Or merely your allegation?
But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraudQuote:Why did you include this quote regarding allegations and questions? Do you mistake it for proof of fact?
Allegations have been made that Professor Churchill has engaged in research misconduct ... (which) warrant ... further inquiry. Also referred to the Committee is the question of whether Churchill committed research misconduct by misrepresenting himself to be American IndianQuote:OTOH, he has sterling academic achievements and letters of commendation from well-recognized peers around the country. Not something you'd take note of, but thi
his credibility, whatever that remains, just keeps waning
s will also come out during proceedings.
Most if not all of those sterling academic achievements are based on his lies. He posits his statements from a position of being an Native American Indian.
And I think that your many assumptions are getting ahead of you... The other allegations on research misconduct and questions on his employment and his writings based on his misrepresentation of Indian heritage that the CU Chancellor has forwarded for further investigations will work themselves out. The fact remains that he lied about being enrolled as a Cherokee.
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Originally posted by rue:
Google "ward churchill" +UNenrolled. I think you'll find it educational.
other sources for the story:
www.indybay.org/news/2005/02/1720485.php
colorado.indymedia.org/ newswire/display_any/10218/index.php
colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/10218/index.php
www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/020805letters.htm
That's no good. All of these links are single-sourced back to one:
Ernesto Cienfuegos of La Voz de Aztlan.
As this article points out:
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/02/45/news-arellano.php
This Ernesto personage has some anti-semite dealings and has a past history of making baseless claims to worsen a flame-war. In this article, he attempts to use email and postings to the aztlan website to defame a president of a Latin-American League locally in Orange County.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=186
Quotes that article about the aztlan website.
"Our duty is to take back what is ours, even if it means carrying out total genocide."
Right now, I don't have anything else to go on to support this aztlan article as anything reliable, let alone a fact. Worse, that very aztlan article is authored and being pasted around by someone with a known history of making factless baseless claims all just to further his own racist opinions. Even worst, the entire website is filled to the rim with anti-semite, homophobic, and genocidal bullcrap. At this point, I'm very much inclined to not believe anything they "publish".
The aztlan website has lots of articles on anti-semite racism and homophobia. It's really out there with regards to hat
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Quote:What you present as 'facts' you have failed to support. ARE most of his writings based on his claim of Indian heritage? Where is your evidence? IS his tenure based on heritage and without academic merit? You've failed to support that. DID he lie about enrollment? That's why I suggested you google on his name and UNenrolled. Available evidence is that he said he was UNenrolled. IS he without Indian heritage? Evidence suggests he has Indian markers.
The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build (sic) based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that; also, he lied about his enrollment with the Cherokees. Is there something to counter these as not?
You've failed to support your claims, and so they remain CLAIMS. That they are being 'looked at' is not proof.
'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !
Is that not a virtual lynching?
Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.
I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.
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Good gravy, thanks for the lesson on complete crazy talk.
you really need to get over yourself, the only "data" that you are willing to see is this crap that you always dig up. I have already looked at this 2nd rate "research" that you did. You call single-sourcing "research" and you used this one much disputable article as basis that markers on WC has been id'd? Come-on and get with it.
As far as I'm concerned, that Ernesto guy and that article (and the rest of his website) is complete poo and not worth a second look. If you are truly the scholar and fact-finder that you claim you are, you would at least conceit to that much. For me, I am not willing to relook at this issue until at least a valid 2nd source brings it up - without just wholesale quoting the Ernesto article (Note, at this point, I would even look at it without supporting evidence of whether WC actually submitted a sample or who did the actual testing, let alone the validity of this type of testing in identifying heritage. BTW, I'm very well aware of MtDNA and how it's used. Whether it's of value in actually profiling and identifying heritage would be of interest) . At the very least, how about WC himself stating something like "Hey, I've got my blood in for testing right now, and the results will tell the complete truth". I haven't seen one single source that talk about this.
As far as evidence and claims goes, I've presented multiple sources and statements quoting the same exact people that said that there is never any record of WC belonging or enrolled as a member. He was an associate once - but that has been heavily discussed and rebutted already as not being anything of value as far as being identified with Indian Heritage or Blood goes. And to top it all off, all of this crap is at least a decade *after* he had put on his CU application that he belongs to the tribe - BEFORE any hint or possible confusion with enrollment/unrollment or being an associate. What a crock!
'my ilk', 'your ilk' - how convenient to just wrap it all up in some paranoiac conspiratorial dillusion and just attack it that way instead of discussing the actual issue(s) - crappy research, false pretence and misrepresentations to pass for academic studies and the people who stand behind them.
Once again, I'm not trying him or putting him thru any lynching or trial. I've looked at the relevant articles and news items; from what I can tell, he lied his ass off to get to where he is today. I could really careless if you are standing next to him, beside him, or in any other orientation. But if you feel the need to build up this conversation to some extraordinary, extra dimensional hype - all just to make you feel your self worth and self importance. Do carry on.
As for waiting and see, what else can you do but wait and see? There is no fact that shows that he didn't lie about his heritage to get to where he is. We'll all just wait and see what the CU research ethics committee come up with.
Yeah, Why the heck do you think I quoted the finders from the CU Chancellor's special meeting?
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:What you present as 'facts' you have failed to support. ARE most of his writings based on his claim of Indian heritage? Where is your evidence? IS his tenure based on heritage and without academic merit? You've failed to support that. DID he lie about enrollment? That's why I suggested you google on his name and UNenrolled. Available evidence is that he said he was UNenrolled. IS he without Indian heritage? Evidence suggests he has Indian markers.
The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build (sic) based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that; also, he lied about his enrollment with the Cherokees. Is there something to counter these as not?
You've failed to support your claims, and so they remain CLAIMS. That they are being 'looked at' is not proof.
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"Presidents get impeached for lying"
Only if you lie about sex. ...
heh... He should have been impeached just for the sex part in the office. No, I am not a prude, but much better people have lost their jobs - for having sex on the job, at the job site, on the employer's dime, without the benefit of any fact finding trip even close to an impeachment. Yeah, sex is and should be a private matter, even adultery (although that does speak to faith and character), but sex in the work place is power, cohersion, and much more than a desperate cry for help, it breaks a couple of laws and is ground for suit - not just from the parties involved.
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