What are our national goals? What about the international rules of the road? And who are "we", anyway?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I am going to repeat myself.
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Silly man.
"Evil" is not a goal.
Neither is "good".
As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.
Don't bother.
Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck.
Everyone hates you.
Just go away.
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Quote:6ix, Trumptards are equivalent to Antibellium slave-owners; all could NOT see what was wrong with themselves, their way of life, and their preferred economics. And they couldn't understand what was evil about slavery. It was perfect, as mentioned in the Bible. Never did get them to understand, but killing them made it unnecessary to reach their minds and persuade them with facts and logic.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am going to repeat myself.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Silly man.
"Evil" is not a goal.
Neither is "good".
As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.
Don't bother.
Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck.
Everyone hates you.
Just go away.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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There was a movie about Lincoln’s struggle to convince Congress to ban slavery. Slavery! Congress wasn’t sure that slavery was evil, even after most, not all, of the slave-owning Congressmen had left Congress. Imagine what would have happened if most of the slave-owning Congressmen had NOT left Congress. If so, banning slavery would have been impossible. Impossible describes today’s Congress, where Trumptards, the worst people in America, refuse to leave Congress. At least most, but not all, of the slave-owners of Lincoln’s era still had the decency to quit Congress.
Steven Spielberg's Lincoln (2012) is a historical drama that focuses on the final four months of President Abraham Lincoln’s life and his intense political battle to pass the Thirteenth Amendment.
Plot Overview
• The Core Goal: Set in January 1865, the movie zeroes in on President Abraham Lincoln (played by Daniel Day-Lewis) as he rushes to secure enough votes in the House of Representatives to ban slavery.
• The Urgency: Lincoln worries that his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation might get thrown out by courts once the Civil War ends. He also fears that if the war concludes before the Thirteenth Amendment passes, returning southern states will defeat it.
• Political Maneuvering: To win votes from skeptical Democrats and lame-duck politicians, Lincoln and his allies—including Secretary of State William Seward and radical Republican Thaddeus Stevens—use intense political strategy, persuasion, and behind-the-scenes lobbying.
• The Peace Dilemma: Lincoln faces a massive dilemma when Confederate peace commissioners seek a negotiated end to the war. He must balance ending the bloodshed against passing the amendment, realizing that pushing too hard for peace negotiations could derail the anti-slavery vote.
At the outbreak of the American Civil War in 1860-1861, dozens of southern congressmen abruptly walked out or resigned, prompting both the Senate and the House to expel members who actively took up arms or supported the Confederacy.
1. The Wave of "Withdrawals" and Resignations (Winter 1860-1861)
Following Abraham Lincoln's election in November 1860, South Carolina became the first state to declare secession on December 20, 1860. A cascade of departures followed:
• The House Delegations: On December 24, 1860, South Carolina's congressional delegation submitted a letter to the Speaker declaring that because their state had resumed its sovereign powers, they considered their connection to the House dissolved. Over the next several weeks, representatives from Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas followed suit, often delivering dramatic farewell speeches or simply packing their belongings and leaving Washington.
• The Senate's Initial Hesitation: The U.S. Senate initially struggled with how to define these absences. Acknowledging a formal "resignation" or treating their departure as an official withdrawal risked implying that their states had a legitimate constitutional right to secede. Consequently, in March 1861, the Senate settled on simply declaring the seats of departed senators vacant and striking their names from the official roll.
2. The Expulsions Begin (July 1861 – 1862)
After Confederate forces bombarded Fort Sumter in April 1861, remaining federal tolerance ended. When President Lincoln convened an emergency session of the 37th Congress in July 1861, members who had not formally resigned or who were actively aiding the rebellion were targeted under the Constitution's Expulsion Clause (Article I, Section 5)
• July 11, 1861 (Senate): Senator Daniel Clark of New Hampshire introduced a resolution to expel 10 Southern senators who failed to appear and were engaged in a "conspiracy for the destruction of the Union". The Senate voted 32-10 to expel all 10 men, including future Confederate cabinet members and generals like Robert Hunter and Louis T. Wigfall.
• December 1861 (Senate): The Senate voted to expel John C. Breckinridge of Kentucky. Breck
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am going to repeat myself.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Silly man.
"Evil" is not a goal.
Neither is "good".
As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.
Don't bother.
Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck.
Everyone hates you.
Just go away.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
6ix, Trumptards are equivalent to Antibellium slave-owners; all could NOT see what was wrong with themselves, their way of life, and their preferred economics. And they couldn't understand what was evil about slavery. It was perfect, as mentioned in the Bible. Never did get them to understand, but killing them made it unnecessary to reach their minds and persuade them with facts and logic.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
SECOND, you keep banging away about slavery. It's one of your hobby- horses.
Since you react to it so strongly, please explain why.
What is it about slavery that makes it evil, to you?
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, Trumptards are equivalent to Antibellium slave-owners; all could NOT see what was wrong with themselves, their way of life, and their preferred economics. And they couldn't understand what was evil about slavery. It was perfect, as mentioned in the Bible. Never did get them to understand, but killing them made it unnecessary to reach their minds and persuade them with facts and logic.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am going to repeat myself.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Silly man.
"Evil" is not a goal.
Neither is "good".
As long as you keep framing it in those terms you'll never get anywhere.
Don't bother.
Your "insight" sucks. Your analogies suck. You suck.
Everyone hates you.
Just go away.
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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Do not address me, faggot.
I'm fucking tired of your 70IQ basic bitch bullshit.
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Quote:I picked slavery to show how Congress can NOT even make easy, obvious decisions without huge time lapses stretching into decades where they argue for and against doing what is obviously the only right thing. At the end, one side goes to war against doing the only thing that is good because they prefer to be evil. Evil is profitable. Even George Washington had an inkling that owning slaves was evil, but did he do anything? Nothing until he was dead. Then the very minimum so as not to inconvenience Martha Washington. George was one of the richest men in America, and he could afford to do anything, instantly, but did the least he could get away with while still claiming he "freed" his slaves:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you keep banging away about slavery. It's one of your hobby- horses.
Since you react to it so strongly, please explain why.
What is it about slavery that makes it evil, to you?
The Slaves He Owned
• Immediate freedom: Washington freed his longtime valet, William Lee, right away when he died.
• After Martha's death: His will stated that his remaining ~122 enslaved people would gain their freedom after Martha Washington died.
• Early release: Fearing for her safety after her husband's death, Martha chose to free these individuals early on January 1, 1801.
• Support provisions: Washington's will required that elderly freed people be supported and that young children without parents be taught to read, write, and work a trade. You can read the original documents through George Washington's Mount Vernon.
The Custis Estate Slaves
• Legal limits: Over 150 additional enslaved people at Mount Vernon belonged to the Custis estate from Martha's first marriage.
• No authority: Neither George nor Martha had the legal right to free these individuals because they belonged to Martha's grandchildren and other heirs.
• Separation: When Martha died, the Custis slaves went to her relatives, which meant many families who had intermarried were split apart.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Shut the fuck up, faggot.
We're tired of having to look at your stupid ass avatar and your dumb fucking posts.
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Answer the question, SECOND.
You've amply demonstrated that different people thought different things about slavery for different reasons.
I want to know why YOU think the way you do.
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Ok, let me ask the question in a way that might be easier to answer:
What is it about slavery that makes it "evil"?
That may seem self-evident to you, but I can think of three or four ways to answer that question, and you may have entirely different ideas than mine.
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There is a freedom in not having to think for one's self.
I'm not condoning the act of enslavement by any means. Just saying that there are probably a lot of people who wouldn't mind it all too much under the right conditions.
There's a reason why 1984 is one of the most terrifying books ever written.
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